10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHindsYou have never started any threads about highly organized extremist Christian violence in east Africa, for example, or about Christian female genital mutilation.
I have never killed young boys or taken a bunch of girls hostage like Boko Haram. Why can't you just disagree with me without making ad hominem attacks? You could also say I am like Hitler, but that does not make what I say any less true.
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHinds
I have never killed young boys or taken a bunch of girls hostage like Boko Haram. Why can't you just disagree with me without making ad hominem attacks? You could also say I am like Hitler, but that does not make what I say any less true.
You could also say I am like Hitler, but that does not make what I say any less true.No, you are right in this post. What you say is not true on its own merits, or rather lack of merit.
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by FMFI did not start the thread about Boko Haram either. Maybe that was Dasa or some other so-called Muslim hater.
You have never started any threads about highly organized extremist Christian violence in east Africa, for example, or about Christian female genital mutilation.
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtWell, at least you can now see that some of the things I say are true. I don't claim to know it all, just more than most of you young people that should have learned to respect your elders.You could also say I am like Hitler, but that does not make what I say any less true.No, you are right in this post. What you say is not true on its own merits, or rather lack of merit.
Originally posted by RJHindsRJ, we don't automatically respect our elders. You sometimes make statements that are true, and when you do I'll happily concede that they are. But you cannot expect me to leave statements you make unchallenged if I disagree with them solely on the basis of your age.
Well, at least you can now see that some of the things I say are true. I don't claim to know it all, just more than most of you young people that should have learned to respect your elders.
Edit: Besides I'm 42 which sadly no longer really counts as young.
Originally posted by RJHindsOK, I will bite again, much against my better judgement.....
I have never killed young boys or taken a bunch of girls hostage like Boko Haram. Why can't you just disagree with me without making ad hominem attacks? You could also say I am like Hitler, but that does not make what I say any less true.
It looks like you cannot distinguish PRINCIPLE from DETAIL.
There are many people I disagree with, and amicably so. I give everybody the right to their opinion, and when I engage them, we do so out of mutual respect, in order to learn from each other.
What I disagree with with you, is NOT merely your interpretation of the Bible, and the fact that you take Gen 1 literally, (which is indeed something one could debate), but the fact that you claim for yourself that YOU ALONE HAVE THE TRUTH, and that YOUR VERY SPECIFIC INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY CORRECT ONE.
That, in a word, is Fundamentalism. I AM RIGHT, and if you don't agree with me, then YOU ARE WRONG.
And THAT is what distinguishes Boko Haram from legitimate Islamism.
THAT is what I am accusing you off, not of your specific viewpoint, but of your attitude.
You love to refer to yourself (in the various names that you chose from time to time) as some clever person, a leader of Men, an Inspirational Teacher. Yet most (if not all) truly wise persons acknowledge freely that they know very little, and are constantly learning.
Edit: one more thing - several people here (googlefudge, FabianF and others) have patiently spent time to write very detailed, logical arguments, which at least merited some kind of reasoned response from you, but you either bluntly ignore it, or reply that: "this is what it says in the Bible, so there!" So there is not much point in taking you up on specifics either.
For a moment, just imagine that I were a Muslim, and I argued with you that such and such is the TRUTH, because it says so in the QORAN. Would you accept that as a valid reason? Of course not, you say, because you do not accept the Qoran as the Infallible Word Of God! So the basis of any useful discussion should be some common ground. Your detractors appeal to logic and science as possible common ground. If you cannot meet them on that terrain, you should excuse yourself.
CJ
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtSure you can challenge what I say anytime and still show some respect. The reason I post is to teach, learn, and debate. I don't post with the intent to insult or call people names, but sometimes I do because their response makes me angry.
RJ, we don't automatically respect our elders. You sometimes make statements that are true, and when you do I'll happily concede that they are. But you cannot expect me to leave statements you make unchallenged if I disagree with them solely on the basis of your age.
Edit: Besides I'm 42 which sadly no longer really counts as young.
I admit it is hard to teach an old dog, like me, new tricks. But let me tell you something about your age. At 42 you are only old if you are a professional athlete. Don't start thinking of yourself as old until you get to at least 65 for most everything else, and you will most likely live a more youthful life.
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10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHindsThe reason I post is to teach, learn, and debate.
Sure you can challenge what I say anytime and still show some respect. The reason I post is to teach, learn, and debate. I don't post with the intent to insult or call people names, but sometimes I do because their response makes me angry.
I admit it is hard to teach an old dog, like me, new tricks. But let me tell you something about your age. At 42 ...[text shortened]... get to at least 65 for most everything else, and you will most likely live a more youthful life.
posting youtube clips is not debating. repeating the same mistakes is not learning and spreading misinformation is not teaching.
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by CalJustMost of the people in the Science Forum do not want to meet me on common ground. Everything I try to present on the science side, they refuse to consider, if it has any hint of creation or intelligent design as a source, or if the scientist has changed his views to creation or intelligent design from evolutionism. To most of them, if a scientist has become to believe in God, then that person is no longer a legitimate scientist.
OK, I will bite again, much against my better judgement.....
It looks like you cannot distinguish PRINCIPLE from DETAIL.
There are many people I disagree with, and amicably so. I give everybody the right to their opinion, and when I engage them, we do so out of mutual respect, in order to learn from each other.
What I disagree with with you, is NOT ...[text shortened]... ssible common ground. If you cannot meet them on that terrain, you should excuse yourself.
CJ
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by stellspalfieThe Youtube videos serve as a teaching aid. It also presents the material in a visual manner to make it easier for most people to understand. Then we can still debate the ideas from the video. I don't see anything wrong with that.
[b]The reason I post is to teach, learn, and debate.
posting youtube clips is not debating. repeating the same mistakes is not learning and spreading misinformation is not teaching.[/b]
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10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHindsyou dont debate ideas from videos, you just post videos.
The Youtube videos serve as a teaching aid. It also presents the material in a visual manner to make it easier for most people to understand. Then we can still debate the ideas from the video. I don't see anything wrong with that.
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHindsBecause you know so little and you believe so much. What's the fun with discussing things with you?
Most of the people in the Science Forum do not want to meet me on common ground. Everything I try to present on the science side, they refuse to consider, if it has any hint of creation or intelligent design as a source, or if the scientist has changed his views to creation or intelligent design from evolutionism. To most of them, if a scientist has become to believe in God, then that person is no longer a legitimate scientist.
You don't listen, and you blabber. You are like a crocodile with big mouth with no ears.
You never learn anything. You repeat your ignorance again and again, even when we give you the science behind. But no, you repeat your ignorance again and again.
So there is no common grounds. when you are willing to listen and learn, then it might be quite fun, but until then? Will pigs fly?
10 Jun 14
Originally posted by RJHindsI, and many others, have presented to you scientific evidence proving evolution, including from leading Christians such as Francis Collins, and YOU blindly refused to even consider or discuss their findings!
Most of the people in the Science Forum do not want to meet me on common ground. Everything I try to present on the science side, they refuse to consider, if it has any hint of creation or intelligent design as a source, or if the scientist has changed his views to creation or intelligent design from evolutionism. To most of them, if a scientist has become to believe in God, then that person is no longer a legitimate scientist.
Methinks the shoe is on the other foot.
Just for the record, would you concede that there is an ever so slight possibility that some of your opinions could be wrong? Or are you more infallible than the Pope?
Just wondering...