Evolution - Fact or Fiction

Originally posted by JS357
I don't believe in millions and billions of years of past history. Mind closed.

Fixed.

Where is the peer reviewed evidence for millions and billions of years? There is only peer reviewed evidence for thousands of years.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Where is the peer reviewed evidence for millions and billions of years? There is only peer reviewed evidence for thousands of years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5qran1sS4

Even if you were right, that there is no peer-reviewed evidence for millions of years, your mind is closed to the possibility that such evidence may yet be discovered.

Besides, it is easy to say that the peers of a scientist who thinks he has such evidence are just as deluded by Satan as the scientist is. So why bother rejecting on the basis of no peer reviewed evidence. You've already got a slam dunk on this.

Originally posted by JS357
Even if you were right, that there is no peer-reviewed evidence for millions of years, your mind is closed to the possibility that such evidence may yet be discovered.

Besides, it is easy to say that the peers of a scientist who thinks he has such evidence are just as deluded by Satan as the scientist is. So why bother rejecting on the basis of no peer reviewed evidence. You've already got a slam dunk on this.

Well, atheists like sunhouse and googlefudge are always tooting the importance of peer-reviewed papers as the holy grail of science knowledge. What do you think?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, atheists like sunhouse and googlefudge are always tooting the importance of peer-reviewed papers as the holy grail of science knowledge. What do you think?

I won't judge them on how they are treating scientific peer review, but I don't think the scientific peer community's approval of a idea is evidence of its "truth."

Generally I think scientific ideas are to be judged on their scientific utility, not their "truth" -- and scientific peers are the ones qualified to make this judgement.

This is not the way to judge religious ideas, which is more on the difference they make in people's lives. For example what religious difference does it make to people whether they believe the earth is young or old?

Originally posted by JS357
I won't judge them on how they are treating scientific peer review, but I don't think the scientific peer community's approval of a idea is evidence of its "truth."

Generally I think scientific ideas are to be judged on their scientific utility, not their "truth" -- and scientific peers are the ones qualified to make this judgement.

This is not the way ...[text shortened]... what religious difference does it make to people whether they believe the earth is young or old?

It is important to believe the whole truth recorded in the Holy Bible. Jesus believed Genesis, so why shouldn't we? The following Youtube videos may help you understand better than I could.

Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth

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Why it matters

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The Young Earth

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Does the Bible Teach a Young Earth?

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The Laws of Science Support Young Earth Creation

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Originally posted by RJHinds
It is important to believe the whole truth recorded in the Holy Bible. Jesus believed Genesis, so why shouldn't we? The following Youtube videos may help you understand better than I could.

Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PY0zzh8G3c

Why it matters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpkbCgSNtU

The Young Eart ...[text shortened]...
The Laws of Science Support Young Earth Creation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbh7S6WWdMc

Every one of those are opinion pieces so you are free to believe any or all and you obviously fervently believe in all of it hook line and sinker.

The fact you are totally brainwashed by your religion makes you a poster boy for delusion, however.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Every one of those are opinion pieces so you are free to believe any or all and you obviously fervently believe in all of it hook line and sinker.

The fact you are totally brainwashed by your religion makes you a poster boy for delusion, however.

They are facts of opinion.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is important to believe the whole truth recorded in the Holy Bible. Jesus believed Genesis, so why shouldn't we? The following Youtube videos may help you understand better than I could.

Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PY0zzh8G3c

Why it matters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpkbCgSNtU

The Young Eart ...[text shortened]...
The Laws of Science Support Young Earth Creation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbh7S6WWdMc

I have to tell you I rarely watch anybody's recommended youtubes. I can't remember the last time. If they can't summarize the points or give a link to a text version, they don't care enough about telling me, so why should I?

Furthermore, your post here was in reply to a post of mine, and you had no comment on it, instead laying on a bunch of links on young earth when I was commenting on science and truth. I resent that. It is no way to engage in conversation.

8:30 - "Man brought death into the world."

Do you maintain that no organism died prior to the first humans sinning? No alga died, no fern died, no trilobite died?

Originally posted by JS357
I have to tell you I rarely watch anybody's recommended youtubes. I can't remember the last time. If they can't summarize the points or give a link to a text version, they don't care enough about telling me, so why should I?

Furthermore, your post here was in reply to a post of mine, and you had no comment on it, instead laying on a bunch of links on young ...[text shortened]... en I was commenting on science and truth. I resent that. It is no way to engage in conversation.

You are right on that one. So let's just forget it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are right on that one. So let's just forget it.

Generally you and I give one another a wide berth, so, OK by me.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Where is the peer reviewed evidence for millions and billions of years? There is only peer reviewed evidence for thousands of years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5qran1sS4

I dare you to read this link. I know you won't but here it is anyway: How old is the Earth? Let me count the ways it has been calculated by many methods:

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/AgeEarth.html

The millions or billions of years thing doesn't bother me as a Christian.

If the billions of years of time is a problem to the Bible believer than why isn't the trillions and trillions of miles of space also a problem ?

The immensity of either time or space is not a challenge to my faith.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is important to believe the whole truth recorded in the Holy Bible. Jesus believed Genesis, so why shouldn't we? The following Youtube videos may help you understand better than I could.

Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PY0zzh8G3c

Why it matters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpkbCgSNtU

The Young Eart ...[text shortened]...
The Laws of Science Support Young Earth Creation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbh7S6WWdMc

Appealing to authorities (and in this case I use "authorities" loosely) is not a legitimate way to engage in discussion/debate. It would be one thing if you made an argument for your position, and used these videos as supporting information. But just cutting and pasting links to videos, and not even bothering to summarize the arguments they make or explain why these people should be listened to (much less make your own argument) is intellectually lazy.