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The author's an evolutionary biologist (and atheist) who disagrees with Richard Dawkins on certain important points. Interesting!
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-07-04.html
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-07-04.html
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIt's just interesting to get, in particular, D.S. Wilson's feedback on Dawkins' book, given that the two seem to be diametric opposites in their support of group selection. Dawkins mentions Wilson in his book for just long enough to call him the "American group-selection apostle", and mind you this mention is made in the section of God Delusion in which Dawkins is more or less blanketly swearing off group selection as any sort of viable explanation for religiosity (or as any sort of significant force in evolution, period). Dawkins swears off group selection for principally two reasons (or at least, he mentions two principal reasons in God Delusion). One is that he thinks that often what people call group selection should really just be viewed as either kin selection or reciprocal altruism (and from what I gather from another book I am reading**, E. Sober and D.S. Wilson in some of their joint work do claim that reciprocal altruism is actually a special form of group selection). The second is that Dawkins thinks that between-group selection will more or less always be undermined by within-group selection (this tendency is something that Wilson fully accepts in the little article you linked, but still, Wilson thinks that Dawkins is too hasty in his dismissal of group selection explanations, or partial explanations, for religiosity; Wilson thinks Dawkins is guilty of categorically dismissing group selection and failing to evaluate its merits on a case-by-case basis).
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageVery interesting. I thought this was revealing about the author's thinking;
The author's an evolutionary biologist (and atheist) who disagrees with Richard Dawkins on certain important points. Interesting!
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-07-04.html
Originally posted by scottishinnzSo you can't quote published empirical articles that support your argument without having to go into them in detail?
Fluff! Wool. Nothing of any substance. Trying to suggest evidence exists, without actually detailing anything about it. An assertion only. As a referee, I would insist this vacuous waste of words removed.
Originally posted by PalynkaWell, he made a controversial statement, he should back it up properly. The examples he does show don't actually show what he claims. If he can't get those simple ones right, what confidence should we have in his assertions? He hasn't even made an effort to give context, or explain what the articles are about.
So you can't quote published empirical articles that support your argument without having to go into them in detail?
Bah.
Originally posted by PalynkaWilson cites a published article and mentions a forthcoming article by himself and the other Wilson (which was published: blogger's summary: http://www.philosophyblog.com.au/multilevel-selection-and-the-evolution-of-altruism). Is that fudging? I don't know.
So you can't quote published empirical articles that support your argument without having to go into them in detail?
Bah.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageBut there are major weaknesses in his argument.
Wilson cites a published article and mentions a forthcoming article by himself and the other Wilson (which was published: blogger's summary: http://www.philosophyblog.com.au/multilevel-selection-and-the-evolution-of-altruism). Is that fudging? I don't know.
Allusion seems to be common practice amongst scientists, in statements like this: "The major ...[text shortened]...
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/mg19626340.100-genes-still-central.html
Originally posted by scottishinnzIs that an established fact cast in iron (and repeatable) or the sort of fact established by consensus? It seems that when there are such major disagreements between scientific authorities, then the issue is still open. Whether people have already made up their minds or not is not important.
For example, he incorrectly treats social insects behaviour as group selectionist, when from a genetic point of view it is decidedly individual selectionism. The genetics of the situation are very well understood - protecting a mother which produces sisters which are more related than a random individual is the optimal way of propagating its genes for a sterile organism.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe only thing I found interesting about this article and all other articles like it written by atheists is, that as a theist I was bored to tears. How can there be an once of truth to any assertion based in the lie that God doesn't exist?
The author's an evolutionary biologist (and atheist) who disagrees with Richard Dawkins on certain important points. Interesting!
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-07-04.html