Originally posted by Badwateractually i have a bible of my own and can evidently read, your point is?
Here it is then, directly from the Scripture:
[b]First Creation Story, Genesis 1:
Six Days of Creation and the Sabbath
In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, ‘Let there be ...[text shortened]... in creation.
These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created.[/b]
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Originally posted by Badwateri see still harping on about supposed incongruities, well let me spell it out for you! here is the account, in the creative days as described in the book of genesis.
[b]Second Creation Story, Genesis 2:
Another Account of the Creation
In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; but a stream would ri ...[text shortened]... wife, and they become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.[/b]
First “Day”
“‘Let light come to be.’ Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”—Genesis 1:3, 5.
Second “Day”
“‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven.”—Genesis 1:6-8.
Third “Day”
“‘Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.’ And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas.” (Genesis 1:9, 10)
Fourth “Day”
“‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.’ And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars.”—Genesis 1:14-16; Psalm 136:7-9.
Fifth “Day”
“‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.”—Genesis 1:20, 21.
Sixth “Day”
26 “‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:24.
“And God went on to say: ‘Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.’ And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.”—Genesis 1:26, 27.
Genesis chapter 2 apparently adds some details. However, it is not, as our friend Badwater has erroneously concluded (of those who deny the divine and the inspiration of scripture, who can tell?), another account of creation in conflict with that of chapter 1. It simply takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before land plants were created, adding details that were pertinent to the arrival of humans, Adam the living soul, his garden home, Eden, and the woman Eve, his wife.—Genesis 2:5-9, 15-18, 21, 22,
read it and weep you rationalists, evos, pirates and other blood sucking vertebrates, there is no incongruity with the book of genesis, nor science, there is no two incongruous creation accounts as the higher critics have stated, just the plain and unambiguous truth of the word of God, read it and be amazed!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGenesis 2 adds some details????
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Genesis chapter 2 apparently adds some details. However, it is not, as our friend Badwater has erroneously concluded (of those who deny the divine and the inspiration of scripture, who can tell?), another account of creation in conflict with that of chapter 1. It simply takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before l ...[text shortened]... ics have stated, just the plain and unambiguous truth of the word of God, read it and be amazed!
It is clearly another account that not only starts over, but has a complete creation that starts differently and is in a different order of creation. How does that "add(s) some details"??
You have not proved that there are two different creation stories. The words are clearly there. Just saying that I'm in error does not demonstrate the supposed error.
Also, in the absence of anything rational from you I will leave it at this. Just because you chime in with the last word does not make you correct and me incorrect.
A show of hands, perhaps - is anyone else baffled by what I'm talking about with the creation stories?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut Robbie, one says that man came before animals. The other one says that animals came before man. I am indeed weeping, because I do not see how both can be correct. 😕
Genesis chapter 2 apparently adds some details. However, it is not, as our friend Badwater has erroneously concluded (of those who deny the divine and the inspiration of scripture, who can tell?), another account of creation in conflict with that of chapter 1. It simply takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before land p ...[text shortened]... living soul, his garden home, Eden, and the woman Eve, his wife.—Genesis 2:5-9, 15-18, 21, 22,
Originally posted by Badwaterstating it deliberately does not necessitate that it is true, your preposterous assertion has been soundly refuted and i now hand you over for discipline, for teaching heretical doctrines that are contrary to the truth. i had great hopes for you when i was your chess disciple, but now, you have thrown it all away, and on what, mere human wisdom and reasoning, such a pity, such a tragic loss, never the less as Leonardo was want to say, 'its a wretched pupil that does not surpass his master'!
Your invention. My words were quite deliberate, and I've backed everything I've said with scripture. Invent away.
perhaps we can put our differences aside for just a moment, for i have learned that there are to be five white tailed sea eagles, brought from Norway as chicks and introduced to the coasts of Scotland where they once thrived but became extinct. These magnificent birds have huge wing spans and i may one day be privileged to see them in actual flight, is it not a magnificent development. Also i had hoped that you would comment on the stealth flight of the owl, another marvel of creation, which having since learnt, has filled my imagination. Peace to you Paps, for as visted states, as in Valhalla, we may feast and fight, only to awake the next day, refreshed and to be attended upon by pretty maidens, ready for another melee 🙂
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Originally posted by SwissGambitnope i have given an scriptural and chronological account of the major events, the second chapter, as i have stated, merely adds some details pertaining to mans arrival, both animals and man were created on the so called 'sixth', creative day, if you would like to consult the Bible, you will see that this is indeed the case, in chapter 2 it merely states that they were also bringing forth animals, whether you can construe this as being different from the details in chapter one, i doubt it, for it merely adds details, do not weep my friend, all is well, have faith, the bible is inspired, nothing can harm it for it its God breathed Lol!
But Robbie, one says that man came before animals. The other one says that animals came before man. I am indeed weeping, because I do not see how both can be correct. 😕
(Genesis 2:19) . . .Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens,. . .
a footnote to the verse in question states, that regarding the point of time it was still the sixth creative day. The verb “form” in the imperfect here denotes continued, progressive action.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMaybe you could also help a miserable atheist out with translations. When I read Badwater's post, I get:
nope i have given an scriptural and chronological account of the major events, the second chapter, as i have stated, merely adds some details pertaining to mans arrival, both animals and man were created on the so called 'sixth', creative day, if you would like to consult the Bible, you will see that this is indeed the case, in chapter 2 it merely st ...[text shortened]... xth creative day. The verb “form” in the imperfect here denotes continued, progressive action.
Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.’ So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
This sounds like God says, "Hmm. It isn't good for man to be lonely. Hey, I know! I'll make some animals to keep him company." It's the word "So" that sets the sequence. "Hey, I have problem X, SO I'll take action Y to solve it."
But then, I pull this from a different translation, the NIV:
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.
The word "had" in this translation changes the sequence. It puts the creation of animals in the past tense.
This sequencing becomes a tricky business if the translations don't even agree with one another. 😕
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGood luck with the sea eagles - they are the bird most closed related to the bald eagle. An interesting aside about eagles is that they are a name given to large raptors that do not necessarily have common characteristics with one another. That is to say falcons have attributes which make them alike, owls do as well, kites, etc.; however, eagles do not. Our bald eagles have far more in common with your sea eagles than our golden eagles do.
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perhaps we can put our differences aside for just a moment, for i have learned that there are to be five white tailed sea eagles, brought from Norway as chicks and introduced to the coasts of Scotland where they once thrived but became extinct. These magnificent birds have huge wing spans and i may one day be privileged to see them in actual ...[text shortened]... ke the next day, refreshed and to be attended upon by pretty maidens, ready for another melee 🙂
Most, but not all, owls are nocturnal. Because light is almost always limited at night, owls rely on a keenly developed sense of hearing. Their ears are asymmetrical and proportionally huge for the size of their head, so they can triangulate precisely the source of a sound without moving their head or needing to see it. Barn owl studies have been done where the barn owl is placed in a large room with no light whatsoever and a mouse released, and the owl can successfully find and kill the mouse almost immediately.
Nocturnal owls have softer feathers on the leading edge and underside of their wings, which dissipates air and causes less friction against the feathers, with less noise, which we refer to as "silent flight". Many owls cannot be heard at all when they fly! This allows their flight to no interfere with their tracking of sounds at night. In the process, they trade speed of flight for lower sound. The fastest hawks and falcons have very stiff wing feathers which can generate great speeds, but being a daytime hunter means you can trade speed for stealth because you're using vision to track your prey.