evolutionists goof again

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Robbie you're talking utter garbage as per usual.

Genetic mutations are random, some will be of benefit some will not. Here's a link to the pale-coated deer mouse where a random genetic mutation has enabled it to have a lighter fur coat where it lives in sand dunes.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1744641/scientists_track_mouse_evolution_icon emonstrated some mutations will be of benefit to the population. Do you agree with me so far?

Noobster its old hat, the same old thing was claimed of the peppered moth, Evos claiming that it was living proof of Darwinian evolution, spit ding! simply because it was able to change its camouflage and blend in while its lighter cousin was not, thus making it better able to survive while the lighter ones got gobbled up by birdies! pah, if this is the best you got then i can rest easy!

Scientific American states of the DNA code,'the life of the organism and its continuity from generation to generation are preserved by enzymes that continually repair genetic damage', it further states, 'in particular, significant damage to DNA molecules can induce an emergency response in which increased quantities of the repair enzymes are synthesised'.

what you have Noobster is a mechanism specifically designed to withstand mutation, a naturally occurring one at that, and yet we are being asked to give credence to quite the opposite, mmmmmm, scientific, mmmmmm

in the book Darwin revised, the author relates of respected geneticist Richard Goldshmidt, commenting upon the drosophila fruit fly mutation experiments, and states, 'after observing mutations to fruit flies for many years, , Goldshmidt fell into despair. the changes he lamented were so hopelessly micro that if a thousand mutations were combined in one specimen, there would be no new species'.

this is my stance Noobster ol son and is not garbage, but is as far as i can tell scientifically established!

but to be perfectly honest with Noob ol son, i never intended to come this far, being bored to death with the whole evo verses creationist arguments. what turned out to be little more than a piece of 'rock n troll', has once again developed into the usual arguments, which i had specifically hoped to avoid! as usual one gets more than one bargained for.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
... what are the odds of the writer of genesis placing these events in their exact chronological order, well why dont we consider the mathematical probability, the account lists 10 major stages in this order:

(1) a beginning;
(2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light;
(4) an expanse or atmosphere; ...[text shortened]...
(8) sea monsters and flying creatures;
(9) wild and tame beasts, mammals;
(10) man.
...

Robbie, Robbie, Robbie...there you go again. Even when you're going by what is written in the scriptures you can't seem to get it right. So once again, for you and the others that have forgotten:

First Creation Story, Genesis 1:

Original state: A watery chaos

Sequence of creation:

Light
Firmament
Dry Land and seas
Vegetation
Stars and sun
Fish and birds
Land animals
Man and woman

Second Creation Story, Genesis 2:

Original State: Dry land without rain

Sequence of Creation:

Mist
Man
Trees
Land animals and birds
Woman

It is clear to me that you just spout off scriptures, reading only what you care to without comprehension. But what you say here is egregarious - it is in no scripture I know of so I can only assume its invention to suit your preconceived beliefs.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Noobster its old hat, the same old thing was claimed of the peppered moth, Evos claiming that it was living proof of Darwinian evolution, spit ding! simply because it was able to change its camouflage and blend in while its lighter cousin was not, thus making it better able to survive while the lighter ones got gobbled up by birdies! pah, if this i ...[text shortened]... which i had specifically hoped to avoid! as usual one gets more than one bargained for.

You claimed all mutations were inferior, and some are, but i gave you an example of a documented natural genetic mutation that was of benefit to the organism which was then spread throughout the population.

You said that wasn't possible, i've proved that isn't the case.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You claimed all mutations were inferior, and some are, but i gave you an example of a documented natural genetic mutation that was of benefit to the organism which was then spread throughout the population.

You said that wasn't possible, i've proved that isn't the case.

ok, i stand corrected, never the less you must consider also the scientific pros and cons of your stance!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, i stand corrected, never the less you must consider also the scientific pros and cons of your stance!

scientific pros and cons of your stance

I don't understand.

Originally posted by Badwater
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie...there you go again. Even when you're going by what is written in the scriptures you can't seem to get it right. So once again, for you and the others that have forgotten:

First Creation Story, Genesis 1:

Original state: A watery chaos

Sequence of creation:
Light
Firmament
Dry Land and seas
Vegetation
Stars an ...[text shortened]... n no scripture I know of so I can only assume its invention to suit your preconceived beliefs.

if you would kindly explain your objection, plainly and without affectation, then it just may be possible to glimpse what it is your referring to, for as far as i am concerned, my own text was solid and firmly founded on both biblical and scientific principles!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]scientific pros and cons of your stance

I don't understand.[/b]

you are only seeing one side, your case that mutations produce new species, when there are also counter arguments that it is highly improbable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you would kindly explain your objection, plainly and without affectation, then it just may be possible to glimpse what it is your referring to, for as far as i am concerned, my own text was solid and firmly founded on both biblical and scientific principles!

There you go again...don't you see a vast difference between your list and my list(s)? Need I really point out the obvious here?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are only seeing one side, your case that mutations produce new species, when there are also counter arguments that it is highly improbable.

You and me are sat here having this conversation. That seems like pretty good evidence to me.

Originally posted by Badwater
There you go again...don't you see a vast difference between your list and my list(s)? Need I really point out the obvious here?

i think that instead if you placed your list with in the realm of creative days, rather than two creative' episodes', it might make more sense.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You and me are sat here having this conversation. That seems like pretty good evidence to me.

tis true, i applaud your objectivity!

Originally posted by Badwater
There you go again...don't you see a vast difference between your list and my list(s)? Need I really point out the obvious here?

Its a Jehovah Witness you arguing with. You need to spell out the obvious .. 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think that instead if you placed your list with in the realm of creative days, rather than two creative' episodes', it might make more sense.

Here it is then, directly from the Scripture:

First Creation Story, Genesis 1:

Six Days of Creation and the Sabbath

In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

And God said, ‘Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.’ So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

And God said, ‘Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.’ And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, ‘Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.’ And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

And God said, ‘Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth.’ And it was so. God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

And God said, ‘Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky.’ So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying, ‘Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.’ And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.

And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind.’ And it was so. God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’
So God created humankind in his image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.’ God said, ‘See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.’ And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude. And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.

These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Its a Jehovah Witness you arguing with. You need to spell out the obvious .. 🙂

dont you have some portion of the bible to find, one that doesn't exist, that speaks about imaginary scriptures that have no bearing on anything, so that you may make empty pontifications that besmear the the character of others for stating what is clearly written?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think that instead if you placed your list with in the realm of creative days, rather than two creative' episodes', it might make more sense.

Second Creation Story, Genesis 2:

Another Account of the Creation

In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground— then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. Out of the ground the Lord God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

A river flows out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it divides and becomes four branches. The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one that flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; and the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one that flows around the whole land of Cush. The name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, ‘You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.’

Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.’ So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper as his partner. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. Then the man said,

‘This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
this one shall be called Woman,
for out of Man this one was taken.’

Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.