Exodus 25:17 and Graven Images
04 Aug '12 16:03Originally posted by SuzianneI was helping VoidSpirit with the logic of his point of view that there is no God. That of course, is not my point of view. 😏
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Who are you and what have you done with RJH?
04 Aug '12 16:391 editOriginally posted by twhiteheadIt is not the image. It is the purpose of the use of the image that could make it an idol. The golden calf, in the story of Moses, was specifically made to be worshipped as a god. A crucifix is not made for the purpose of worship as a god instead of God.
So a cross is OK, but a cross with the image of Jesus on, would be an idol?
04 Aug '12 17:09Originally posted by RJHindsidol; noun: 1)an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
The definition used by the Holy Bible is number 1 and 2 below:
idol (noun)
1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) a material object, esp a carved image, that is worshipped as a god
2. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Christianity Judaism any being (other than the one God) to which divine honour is paid
3. a person who is revered, admired, or h ...[text shortened]... of the cross one might wear as a necklace is not considered as idols in Judism and Christianity.
04 Aug '12 20:55Originally posted by VoidSpiritMore in a "O Israel, gaze upon the Ark... isn't God awesome" sort of way, and less of a
idol; noun: 1)an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
sound like the ark was an idol.
04 Aug '12 23:54Originally posted by Suziannepeople who worshiped gods through their idols weren't exactly worshiping the physical idols. they worshiped what they thought were living gods through the vessel of the idol.
More in a "O Israel, gaze upon the Ark... isn't God awesome" sort of way, and less of a
"O Golden Box, who art in the Temple,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."
sort of way.
05 Aug '12 11:38Originally posted by RJHindsNot even Bronze Age man is going to make something then worship it!
It is not the image. It is the purpose of the use of the image that could make it an idol. The golden calf, in the story of Moses, was specifically made to be worshipped as a god. A crucifix is not made for the purpose of worship as a god instead of God.
08 Aug '12 14:20Originally posted by wolfgang59It does not bother me whether or not God is "omni" anything. God is Great.
Not even Bronze Age man is going to make something then worship it!
Clearly the golden calf was a representation of a deity/power -
biblical god didnt like competition.
(makes one suspect that he is not omnipotent ...)
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10 Aug '12 20:20Originally posted by galveston75Do you generally agree with the following? (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry)
No one did any kind of worship to the ark. If you have a scripture that says different then show it...
The Roman Catholic and particularly the Orthodox Churches cite St. John of Damascus' work "On the Divine Image" to defend the use of icons. He wrote in direct response to the Byzantine iconoclasm that began in the eighth century by the Byzantine emperor Leo III and continued by his successor Constantine V. St. John maintains that depicting the invisible God is indeed wrong, but he argues that the incarnation, where "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14), indicates that the invisible God became visible, and as a result it is permissible to depict Jesus Christ. He argues: "When He who is bodiless and without form... existing in the form of God, empties Himself and takes the form of a servant in substance and in stature and is found in a body of flesh, then you draw His image..."
He also observes that in the Old Testament, images and statues were not absolutely condemned in themselves: examples include the images of cherubim over the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:18-22) which God instructed Moses to make, the embroidered figures of cherubim angels which God told Moses to make on the curtain which separated the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle tent (Exodus 26:31), or the bronze serpent mentioned in the book of Numbers.
11 Aug '12 00:12Originally posted by JS357Right.
Do you generally agree with the following? (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry)
[quote]The Roman Catholic and particularly the Orthodox Churches cite St. John of Damascus' work "On the Divine Image" to defend the use of icons. He wrote in direct response to the Byzantine iconoclasm that began in the eighth century by the Byzantine emperor Leo III ...[text shortened]... 'm not sure about that. My question is more about the cherubim and the bronze serpent.
13 Aug '12 00:18Originally posted by JS357Again nothing but God is to be worshipped or given that admiration to. Those angles on the ark were never to be worshipped.
Do you generally agree with the following? (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry)
[quote]The Roman Catholic and particularly the Orthodox Churches cite St. John of Damascus' work "On the Divine Image" to defend the use of icons. He wrote in direct response to the Byzantine iconoclasm that began in the eighth century by the Byzantine emperor Leo III ...[text shortened]... 'm not sure about that. My question is more about the cherubim and the bronze serpent.
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