1. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 May '05 18:51
    1.There are a group of people hiking in the Alps. Suddenly a grey mist envelopes them. They are trapped in the mountains sure to die. The one guy says well, seeing we are going to die, let me jump down a cliff. There might be a way out for me if I don't die.

    2.There are a group of people hiking in the Alps. Suddenly a grey mist envelopes them. They are trapped in the mountains sure to die. Suddenly one guy hears a voice calling out to him, saying "Jump down the cliff it is only a short drop. There is a cave down here in which you can keep warm. Trust me I did it." The guy decides to jump down the cliff because there seems to be a way out for him.

    Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
  2. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    05 May '05 18:58
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    1.There are a group of people hiking in the Alps. Suddenly a grey mist envelopes them. They are trapped in the mountains sure to die. The one guy says well, seeing we are going to die, let me jump down a cliff. There might be a way out for me if I don't die.

    2.There are a group of people hiking in the Alps. Suddenly a grey mist envelopes them. They are ...[text shortened]...
    Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
    Which is faith and which is blind faith?
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    05 May '05 18:59
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Which is faith and which is blind faith?
    Neither.
  4. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 May '05 19:01
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Which is faith and which is blind faith?
    1= blind faith

    2=faith
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    05 May '05 19:02
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    1= blind faith

    2=faith
    1. Reason

    2. Reason

    Not faith or blind faith.
  6. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 May '05 19:05
    Originally posted by telerion
    1. Reason

    2. Reason

    Not faith or blind faith.
    1 = Faith without reason = blind faith

    2 = Faith based on reason = faith
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    05 May '05 19:10
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    1 = Faith without reason = blind faith

    2 = Faith based on reason = faith
    Where does a faith that is incompatible with reason fit in? Is it blind faith or something else?
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    05 May '05 19:10
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    1 = Faith without reason = blind faith

    2 = Faith based on reason = faith
    Like I said, both of your examples are reason. No faith involved.


  9. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 May '05 19:21
    Originally posted by telerion
    Like I said, both of your examples are reason. No faith involved.


    Well that just shows that your definition of faith differs from mine.
  10. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 May '05 19:21
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Where does a faith that is incompatible with reason fit in? Is it blind faith or something else?
    Faith without reason is blind faith.
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    05 May '05 19:44
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Where does a faith that is incompatible with reason fit in? Is it blind faith or something else?
    There is not such thing. Reason is a necessary condition of faith. You can not believe in something if you think it is unreasonable.
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    05 May '05 19:47
    Originally posted by telerion
    Like I said, both of your examples are reason. No faith involved.


    Your idea of faith also differs from almost all Christians and most dictionaries.
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    05 May '05 19:511 edit
    Originally posted by Coletti
    Reason is a necessary condition of faith. You can not believe in something if you think it is unreasonable.
    Do you think the existence of talking snakes is reasonable?
    How about the loading of a pair of each of the world's billions of species onto a boat and keeping them alive together for weeks by a staff of a handful of humans?
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    05 May '05 20:12
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Do you think the existence of talking snakes is reasonable?
    How about the loading of a pair of each of the world's billions of species onto a boat and keeping them alive together for weeks by a staff of a handful of humans?
    Is it reasonable to assume that there is no supernatural. If you assume God is an illusion, it would be unreasonable for you to believe anything related to God, or the Bible. I do not make that assumption.
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    05 May '05 20:14
    Originally posted by Coletti
    Is it reasonable to assume that there is no supernatural. If you assume God is an illusion, it would be unreasonable for you to believe anything related to God, or the Bible. I do not make that assumption.
    Do you think the existence of talking snakes is reasonable?

    How about the loading of a pair of each of the world's billions of species onto a boat and keeping them alive together for weeks by a staff of a handful of humans?
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