Fake Christian.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm not calling into question anything, and for the umpteenth time I know what the Clan Forum is for, the real question which you seem to be trying your best to avoid is - why are you continually posting in that forum calling people petty, childlike names? I'm struggling to understand why a self declared 'ordained minister of God', and father to two children is acting like a teenage girl?! Maybe you could enlighten me Robert.

If you know what the clan forum is for then why are you asking these questions with regard to my goading, ridiculing and taunting other clans. It makes no sense and neither does my age, marital status or parenting have any bearing on the matter. Have you never been to a football match where crowds of fathers and husbands taunt, ridicule and goad rival fans? Well then get yourself along to Chittys home ground and have fun or perhaps you are too mature?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you know what the clan forum is for then why are you asking these questions with regard to my goading, ridiculing and taunting other clans. It makes no sense and neither does my age, marital status or parenting have any bearing on the matter. Have you never been to a football match where crowds of fathers and husbands taunt, ridicule and goad ri ...[text shortened]... Well then get yourself along to Chittys home ground and have fun or perhaps you are too mature?

I don't do football Robert, not anymore, I am an evolved, enlightened being. Football, in this country anyhow, is a microcosm of what is wrong with the world. It sold it's soul a long time ago.

Back to the topic at hand, I can't work out if you're being deliberately obtuse or just plain dense. Let's try a different tact - why do you call people names in the Clan Forum? Do you enjoy acting like an adolescent girl?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I don't do football Robert, not anymore, I am an evolved, enlightened being. Football, in this country anyhow, is a microcosm of what is wrong with the world. It sold it's soul a long time ago.

Back to the topic at hand, I can't work out if you're being deliberately obtuse or just plain dense. Let's try a different tact - why do you call people names in the Clan Forum? Do you enjoy acting like an adolescent girl?

Adolescent girls goad, ridicule and taunt rival clans, interesting where have you observed this phenomena? Yes I agree football is immoral.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]Atheists don't want to be free of something they don't believe. They want to be free from [b]people who believe something they don't believe.[/b]
Free from theists?
Have you been drinking?
This little axiom-sounding nonsense is nearly gibberish, were it not for syntax.

Which is okay, but if it escalates into them solving their problem by el ...[text shortened]... er corrupts absolutely."
Anyone who thinks man is exempt in any iteration is woefully ignorant.

Free from theists?

Of course. Why would an atheist want to be free of Gods influence if he doesn't believe God exists? So if not theists, then who?

Any campaign of physical persecution will always begin with a propaganda campaign. And just because this hasn't yet happened in the U.S. or a few other countries doesn't mean it isn't happening anywhere else. Groups of people don't just one day start persecuting another group for no particular reason. It always begins with 'talking points'... talking themselves into it and giving reasons for why (from their pov) the persecution is justified.

It's naive to believe 'free speech' on the part of any group won't or can't lead to action. The KKK is usually tolerated until they do something that shows up in the news, but the KKK has been rendered ineffectual and prevented from acting on their beliefs. But if for any reason the legal and societal restraints are removed, then what do you suppose would stop them from 'doing' rather than simply 'talking'?

ISIS on the other hand is able to ignore world opinion, and justifies what it does by talking themselves and others into doing what they want to see done. Nazis persecution began this way as well, as simply talking points that provided justification for what came later.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Something tells me you consider me (or, at very least, my message) a threat.
I am confident you couldn't possibly consider me stupid, at least not with an honest assessment unbridled by personal prejudices or perhaps jealousy.
I'm inclined to think your reactions are little more than unfiltered subjective fear.
What you're afraid of, well, that's up to ...[text shortened]... tell me how cool I am), I would prefer to listen to an ancient standard.

You do you, though.

Something tells me you consider me (or, at very least, my message) a threat.

No, I really don't find you, or your 'message' to be a threat.

I honestly and genuinely find both you and your message to be utterly stupid.

I'm sorry if that busts your bubble, but I cannot honestly claim to view you as anything other than an idiot.

I prefer original meaning, ...

Well that's all very well and good until you try to communicate with people in the present day.

Because the only meaning that really actually matters is the one they are trying to communicate to
you via these collections of abstract symbols we call words.

If you apply your own personal meaning to the words, then you are not understanding the meaning that
is actually being [or attempting to be] communicated to you.

This might help explain how you so often fail to grasp other peoples meaning and be why I view you as
being so dim.

The 'original meaning' is perhaps an interesting piece of trivia, but otherwise irrelevant when the current
present day meaning or meanings have changed, and are what is in fact being communicated.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Atheists don't want to be free of something they don't believe. They want to be free from [b]people who believe something they don't believe.

Which is okay, but if it escalates into them solving their problem by eliminating the problem (us) this is when it can become problematic. And anyone who thinks this won't or can't happen is woefully ignorant, because it's happened before.[/b]

You have actually got something right... sort of.

You are correct that atheists don't have a problem with gods because they don't actually exist.
What we have is a problem with people who believe in gods. In a word, theists.

Where you go off the rails is in imagining that we might try to 'solve that problem' by exterminating you.

That kind of solution is a typical theistic solution to this kind of problem, which is why almost all your examples
feature theists carrying them out, Nazi's included.

The very few such examples where some religion was not the driving motive, you find some other driver [like
totalitarianism] that has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism.

Because you cannot get from "lack of belief in gods" to "we must kill all the theists".

Not if you have any kind of morality, which happily we do, although on these forums I often feel we are rather alone in
that.

Belief in secular morality, secularism, democracy, rationality, logic, reason, science, freedom of and from religion, will
get you to a free and peaceful society where people can believe whatever bat guano crazy stuff they like, as long as they
don't try to impose their crazy beliefs on other people are otherwise act in ways too disruptive to civil society.

Which is why the closer a society gets towards that ideal, the nicer that society is to live in.

Religion is bad for society, and bad for people, but happily it slowly withers and dies in nice safe secular democratic societies
as people realise they don't need it and just get on with their lives without it.

So we don't have to come for you, even if we wanted to eliminate religion.

The best way to do it is simply to make our countries, and civilisations as nice, and free, and safe, as possible and just let
time do the rest.

Even if it doesn't work, for those living in such nice safe free societies. who cares if a few crazy people still believe in
imaginary gods.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You have actually got something right... sort of.

You are correct that atheists don't have a problem with gods because they don't actually exist.
What we have is a problem with people who believe in gods. In a word, theists.

Where you go off the rails is in imagining that we might try to 'solve that problem' by exterminating you.

That kind of s ...[text shortened]... uch nice safe free societies. who cares if a few crazy people still believe in
imaginary gods.

Where you go off the rails is in imagining that we might try to 'solve that problem' by exterminating you.

Some atheists think the solution to all of the worlds problems is the elimination of religion. So how in your opinion could this be accomplished without eliminating people who refuse to give up their religion?

And what if I said the solution is to eliminate atheism... how could that be accomplished? Where atheists usually go off the rails is when they assume they are the sole arbiters of reason, and only what they believe (or don't believe) should be the standard for world peace and understanding and knowledge and blah blah blah blah...

That kind of solution is a typical theistic solution to this kind of problem, which is why almost all your examples
feature theists carrying them out, Nazi's included.

That's a very clever reason for eliminating religion... eliminate the theists. And I can imagine that being one of the talking points if an atheist wanted to actually follow through on eliminating religion. Any fool can use 'religion' to justify what they want to do, and there are many fools who will believe them. Atheists on the other hand can claim exemption by saying their non-beliefs have nothing to do with religion, as evidenced by your next point:

The very few such examples where some religion was not the driving motive, you find some other driver [like
totalitarianism] that has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism.

Claiming atheism is an exemption doesn't actually have the power to make you exempt. Any atheist is able to devise whatever moral or ethical standards they want for themselves, and that includes tyrants.

As for the rest your argument you claim:

atheists have high moral standards.
atheists are reasonable
anyone who disagrees with you is crazy
"Religion is bad for society, and bad for people" (talking point?)

and on and on and on and on...

Wow! You managed to cover most if not all of the usual pro-atheist talking points, along with reasons for why religion should be eliminated.

You started off by telling me I'm wrong about anyone thinking theists should be eliminated, and then ended with reasons for why religion should be eliminated... but didn't actually say how that could be accomplished without eliminating the theists who refuse to give up their religion.

Originally posted by lemon lime
[b]Where you go off the rails is in imagining that we might try to 'solve that problem' by exterminating you.

Some atheists think the solution to all of the worlds problems is the elimination of religion. So how in your opinion could this be accomplished without eliminating people who refuse to give up their religion?

And what if I said the solu ...[text shortened]... that could be accomplished without eliminating the theists who refuse to give up their religion.[/b]

Wow do you need to learn to read.

Because what you take from my posts seldom bears any relationship to what they actually say.

Which makes trying to talk to you really pointless.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Wow do you need to learn to read.

Because what you take from my posts seldom bears any relationship to what they actually say.

Which makes trying to talk to you really pointless.

Does this mean you are no longer interested in treating me to any more of your skewed logic and name calling?

you a crazy insane loonie, dats wat U R. 🙄

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Adolescent girls goad, ridicule and taunt rival clans, interesting where have you observed this phenomena? Yes I agree football is immoral.

You've avoided my questions, again. Would you care to have another stab?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You've avoided my questions, again. Would you care to have another stab?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
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Yawn devoid of both substance and reason and unworthy of serious comment. Its simply an empty statement.

Let's try again, do you enjoy calling people names on the Internet?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Yawn devoid of both substance and reason and unworthy of serious comment. Its simply an empty statement.

Let's try again, do you enjoy calling people names on the Internet?

I enjoy gaoding, ridiculing and taunting rival clans in a forum designed for goading. taunting and ridiculing rival clans.

Have you tried Acme rocket skates? meep! meep!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I enjoy gaoding, ridiculing and taunting rival clans in a forum designed for goading. taunting and ridiculing rival clans.

Have you tried Acme rocket skates? meep! meep!

Your goading, ridiculing and taunting has frequently spilled over into other forums other than the Clan Forum, we've seen it here all too often.

What's the motive? What do you get out of goading, taunting, ridiculing and calling people names on the Internet from the safety of your own home? Do you go round carrying out the same behaviour here at RHP in your day to day life also?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your goading, ridiculing and taunting has frequently spilled over into other forums other than the Clan Forum, we've seen it here all too often.

What's the motive? What do you get out of goading, taunting, ridiculing and calling people names on the Internet from the safety of your own home? Do you go round carrying out the same behaviour here at RHP in your day to day life also?

What I do in my private life is none of your business. Why I do it is also none of your business. If you don't like that i taunt, goad and ridicule then don't read the texts. If it offends you then contact the site administrators. I find your attempts to pry into the private lives of people here rather creepy and its not the first time that you have been chastised for doing so by the site administration.

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