12 Dec 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterThe reason Jesus could say "love your neighbor as yourself" is because we already do love ourselves.
I thought jesus preached love others AS you love yourself . I don't see how our love of others can be of very high quality if we do not love ourselves.
And in too many cases, too much!
12 Dec 07
Originally posted by vistesd"(and Red Night as well, though I’m not sure we have ever really been in disagreement)."
I’m a techno-peasant with extremely slow dial-up, so I don’t watch youtube, etc.
However, from the comments, I do think that I am for once in agreement with knightmeister (and Red Night as well, though I’m not sure we have ever really been in disagreement).
How can you be in agreement with someone that so blatantly misquotes the Bible?
13 Dec 07
Originally posted by josephwHe didn’t put it as a direct quote, so I didn’t take it as a misquote; and if you love your neighbor in the same way as (Greek: os; a “particle of comparison” ) you love yourself, that presumes that you also must love yourself—even first love yourself—in order to extend that love to another. I just took RN to be acknowledging that the linkage suggests that we are to love ourselves: that that was his emphasis. I think knightmeister understands this one, and his emphasis is shown in his last post. In any event, there is no “as” without the assumed “and”.
"(and Red Night as well, though I’m not sure we have ever really been in disagreement)."
How can you be in agreement with someone that so blatantly misquotes the Bible?
It’s interesting that in all the NT passages where this quote is given, the verb agapeseis can be either indicative or imperative; that is, it can be taken both as a command and as a statement of fact: i.e., that you will be able to love your neighbor no more or less than yourself. I’m not going to argue that one way or the other, just pointing it out; though it certainly supports what KM is saying I think.
13 Dec 07
Originally posted by josephwNo , we do not love ourselves too much. Love of self (ego , selfishness) is NOT the same as compassion for our self. Compassionate care for our own being is bound to radiate out from us to others. Take a look around you. Those who show the least love for others are always those who underneath hate themselves.
The reason Jesus could say "love your neighbor as yourself" is because we already do love ourselves.
And in too many cases, too much!
13 Dec 07
Originally posted by vistesdThanks visted , if we look hard at life we will see that compassion for others is always linked with a sense of being at peace with oneself and caring for our own selves. Jesus was saying that we must replicate the love we have for ourselves out to others , but that has to happen from a place of self love. If you have ever met someone who you sense really loathes themselves and behaves destructively towards themselves I bet my mortgage they weren't that caring to other people. They may have become people pleasers constantly putting others first out of guilt or low self esteem ...but is that compassion?
He didn’t put it as a direct quote, so I didn’t take it as a misquote; and if you love your neighbor in the same way as (Greek: os; a “particle of comparison” ) you love yourself, that presumes that you also must love yourself—even first love yourself—in order to extend that love to another. I just took RN to be acknowledging that the linkag ...[text shortened]... way or the other, just pointing it out; though it certainly supports what KM is saying I think.