1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    12 Sep '11 08:24
    What would it take to pursuade you of the existance of a supernatural being/ deity?
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    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would it take to pursuade you of the existance of a supernatural being/ deity?
    That very much depends on how you define 'supernatural'. The usual definition of that word I find incoherent, so under the usual definition, I cannot answer the question because I cannot understand the question.

    The same applies to most religions concepts of 'God'. As long as I find them incoherent, I cannot answer the question.

    Its like asking what would persuade me of the existence of invisible pink unicorns hiding in my fridge. I must first ask 'are they pink or are they invisible?' because I find the combination incoherent.
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    12 Sep '11 08:53
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would it take to pursuade you of the existance of a supernatural being/ deity?
    Dasa leaving the fora for good would be a start as l have been praying for that for ages with no results - when he left as Visavahetu and said he wouldnt come back l was in a bit of a dilemma as l hadnt been praying to the Christian god - it was more of a shrine with an old barbie doll from my niece made to look like l thought Dasa did.

    Then when he returned in this incarnation it was more proof that there wasnt a god - or maybe my Dasabarbie had no powers after all.
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    You do not persuade anyone to take to spiritual life.

    You present knowledge - show the falsity and allow the person to raise their consciousness by applying that spiritual knowledge in everyday life.

    Persons who are defiant not to accept spiritual authority will never understand God and neither their own self interest or anything at all.

    Spiritual awareness received from higher knowledge allows the person to develop a knowing and understanding of all things important - from the greater perception they have obtained through spiritual practices..

    And the pinnacle of this knowing is the understanding of God and the relationship one has with God.

    It is actually everyone's birth right to achieve this and it is the purpose of the human birth.
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    And the pinnacle of this knowing is the understanding of God and the relationship one has with God.
    It seems that, as a result of the specifics of your belief system, or your online personality and communication skills, or a combination of both, you are unable to convey an "understanding of God" or demonstrate a "relationship with God" that means anything to virtually anyone here, apart from yourself.

    Persons who are defiant not to accept spiritual authority will never understand God and neither their own self interest or anything at all.

    Persons who are "defiant" with respect to your assertions and do not accept the alleged "spiritual authority" you happen to subscribe to, indeed, will never "understand God" in a way that satisfies you and nor will their own definitions of "self interest" or the insights resulting from their own spiritual journeys satisfy you.
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    12 Sep '11 09:29
    Originally posted by Dasa
    You do not persuade anyone to take to spiritual life.

    You present knowledge - show the falsity and allow the person to raise their consciousness by applying that spiritual knowledge in everyday life.

    Persons who are defiant not to accept spiritual authority will never understand God and neither their own self interest or anything at all.

    Spiritual awar ...[text shortened]... It is actually everyone's birth right to achieve this and it is the purpose of the human birth.
    You present knowledge - show the falsity and allow the person to raise their consciousness by applying that spiritual knowledge in everyday life.

    Would you say you have achieved this objective on this forum?
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    12 Sep '11 09:321 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    [b]You present knowledge - show the falsity and allow the person to raise their consciousness by applying that spiritual knowledge in everyday life.

    Would you say you have achieved this objective on this forum?[/b]
    yes, i have now shaved my head and taken to walking around with an orange smock whilst pinging a triangle!
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    12 Sep '11 09:36
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes, i have now shaved my head and taken to walking around with an orange smock whilst pining a triangle!
    I always thought you were more of a maracas type of guy.
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    12 Sep '11 09:44
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would it take to pursuade you of the existance of a supernatural being/ deity?
    This fifth dimensional mirror-like thing folding in on itslef and making all these wierd patterns all the while telepathically concious of your conciousness without saying anything
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    12 Sep '11 09:49
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes, i have now shaved my head and taken to walking around with an orange smock whilst pining a triangle!
    ..and chant, surely. Or maybe it's inner chanting 😉
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    12 Sep '11 09:491 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    [b]You present knowledge - show the falsity and allow the person to raise their consciousness by applying that spiritual knowledge in everyday life.

    Would you say you have achieved this objective on this forum?[/b]
    My only concern is to show where true knowledge can be found and to show what is false and what is true.

    Because this spirituality forum is over run by atheists and persons of false religion they have an aversion to most things true - especially if those things will interfere with their materialistic sense enjoyment, their meat eating, intoxication, whoring, gambling and so on.

    They have this aversion because they are insincere and indoctrinated in falsity.

    I can only present where they may enquire for true knowledge..... that's all.
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    12 Sep '11 10:051 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    I always thought you were more of a maracas type of guy.
    Lol, give me some of the Samba rhythm baby, watch me go!
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    12 Sep '11 10:06
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would it take to pursuade you of the existance of a supernatural being/ deity?
    That depends on the supernatural being in question.

    The more powerful the being in question the more extraordinary the evidence would have to be.

    So fairy's at the bottom of the garden would take less powerful evidence than an almighty god, because the
    fairy's are much less powerful than god is supposed to be.

    The god of the bible, is so powerful in fact, that I am not sure if there is anything I would accept
    as proof of its existence.

    The trouble is that if you have some miraculous event you are claiming as evidence, to prove the existence
    the god of the bible, this event would have to only be possible for a being as powerful as god is claimed
    to be. And could not possibly be done by something less powerful than god.
    As god is supposed to have Unlimited power, There will always be something less powerful that would be
    able to do the specific act you are claiming as proof.

    However there would come a point beyond which the distinction becomes meaningless.

    Note that convincing me that your god exists and actually getting me to worship it are separate questions.

    Convincing me that your god exists might be possible, with extraordinary proof, that wont mean I am going
    to worship it ever.


    As for what would class as extraordinary proof....

    Well stuff like... The aeroplanes heading for the twin towers slowly floating to a halt just before impact, hovering
    for a minute, and then gently floating off to the sides and coming gently down to earth in clear areas while the
    terrorists simply fall asleep and the dead pilots/stewardesses come back to life...

    And stuff like... The boxing day tsunami reaching the coast, rearing up and then stopping, before retreating without
    hurting anyone....

    And this kind of stuff happening on a regular if not daily basis...

    That is the kind of thing that would qualify...

    And also actually make god useful.
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    12 Sep '11 10:08
    Originally posted by Dasa
    My only concern is to show where true knowledge can be found and to show what is false and what is true.
    But don't you accept that this is a community and that, as such, a little flexibility and common decency is called for?

    Do you see yourself as a member of a community?
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    12 Sep '11 10:131 edit
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    That depends on the supernatural being in question.

    The more powerful the being in question the more extraordinary the evidence would have to be.

    So fairy's at the bottom of the garden would take less powerful evidence than an almighty god, because the
    fairy's are much less powerful than god is supposed to be.

    The god of the bible, is so powerf ...[text shortened]... s...

    That is the kind of thing that would qualify...

    And also actually make god useful.
    Did you hear about the South American 'indians' that could not see the sailing ships (of some sea conquering spain/english guy), until they came to shore with row boats because they could recognize them as they had similar canoe type boats and hence could "visualize" them.
    It was the shaman that saw the sailing ships docked 100m of shore. He/She told the rest of them that there was a huge ship out there but none of the others could see, however the ones that stayed with the shaman long enough could finally see the boats themselves as well.

    Perhaps there could be a similar sort of "blindness" with "ufos" ?
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