Originally posted by VoidSpirit
he did tell you, though not in so many words. the gist of it is in genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: "
it is clear from this statement that before eating from the fruit, they did not k setting man up for the fall just so he can make a point... and it only gets worse from there.
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he did tell you, though not in so many words. the gist of it is in genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: "
it is clear from this statement that before eating from the fruit, they did not know the difference between right and wrong. now, the only thing separating man and god is is immortality, so they had to go.
the entire legend is absurd. from the very beginning, we learn of god's petty nature of setting man up for the fall just so he can make a point... and it only gets worse from there.
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I agree that Genesis 3:22 does show that after eating Adam has something that God has. However, before eating, what Adam needed to know had its source DIRECTLY from God. It came not through the human conscience but from direct interaction with God.
Adam had all the knowing he needed in just trusting his loving Creator in obedience:
" And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." (Gen. 2:16,17)
The difference is in Adam being dependent upon God for God to directly inform him of the good and evil or Adam seeking independence to have that source within him without regard to depending upon God.
No being was created autonomous. Only God is self existing and independent. All other creatures created by God are dependent. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was an opportunity for the created man to follow Satan in a revolt and thrust for independence from God.
I think you should also notice that God did not say "the day you eat of it, you will begin to do bad things." Both good and evil were in the tree. God rather told him that the day of his eating he would
die. It was a tree of death.
To withdraw from God was a dynamic degeneration into death. In that degradation the rebel might do good and evil. But the move of independence from God could only result in a downward slide into death.
Adam, before the fall, was also tasked with naming all of the animals
(Gen.2:20) . This was a task of great managerial ability. And we should not take it for granted. For it shows that Adam in a sense bestowed meaning on each creature. What he called it, that is what it was.
The intellect required to do this must have been tremendous. It is hard for me to imagine being without
"the knowledge of good and evil" rendered the first man some kind of naive moron. In his state of dependence upon God he had great managerial ability and the high level intelligence of a perfect human being.
He was a
"very good" specimen of a human being before eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The implication of your criticism is that not having this
"knowledge of good and evil" renders him in some way subhuman.
If you believe the Bible as I do, the actions of Adam and the mandates assigned to him reveal that he could not have been deficient, defective, or subhuman in any way. He made a wrong choice at independence from God. In light of the whole Bible, we see this brought him under the authority of God's enemy Satan. And he begins to die.
Furthermore, though man now has the knowledge of good and evil as m inward independent source, he will too often lack the life power to perform the good that he knows or resist the evil that he knows. Adam now has the knowledge. He loses the life power of self control.
It is ironic that in a thrust for self independence he instead loses self control. Death is the ultimate loss of that self control. Sin is the defect on the way to death.
Unlike you, I do not regard the account as nonsense. The more I consider it the more I have the sense of its profoundness. I don't think such a record could have come out of mere human imagination.
For one,
"the knowledge of good and evil" I don't think is something that mere human imagination would produce. Both the knowing of good and the knowing of evil were on the same tree. I think this is a divinely inspired account. I don't think man would write about a tree with
"the knowledge of good and evil".
And the other tree,
"the tree of life" . Adam already had plenty of life. He had an everlasting life. There was no warning to him that if he FAILED to eat of
the tree of life he would die.
So then we might ask - What was the need for a
tree of life?. Adam already had an endless life that was
"very good" .
In the whole revelation of the Bible it is evident that to take in the tree of life was to take in God Himself that God could live in man. Man was very good, innocent, and sinless, with a created everlasting life. But apparently, that alone did not meet God's need to fulfill His eternal purpose. God intended that this very good man take God Himself into him as "food" that man would be saturated with God.
He did not want a good man. He wanted a God-man. God wanted a man who is "organically" mingled and united with the uncreated Person of God Himself.
Christ comes as this divine life of God from which Adam became barred when the way to the tree of life was closed.
"In Him was LIFE, and the LIFE was the light of men." (John 1:4)
"I have come that they may have LIFE and may have it abundantly" (John 10:10)
"I am the bread of LIFE" (John 6:48)
"I am the resurrection and the LIFE ..." (John 11:25)
" I am the way and the truth and the LIFE" (John 14:6)
"The last Adam became a LIFE giving Spirit" ( Cor. 15:45)
All these passages and many more reveal that this
tree of life from which Adam was barred is now Jesus Christ the Lord. Through His death and resurrection man can come back to the life of God from which he was alienated:
The fallen sinners from Adam were all
" being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignoranance which was in them, because of the hardness of their hearts." (Eph. 4:18)
The flaming sword of the cherubim of glory is removed in the redemption of Christ. We may now come back to the divine Person, the uncreated Divine Life of God by coming to Jesus Christ the Son.