03 Apr 22
@fmf saidNo, I don't think so. It may be the key objection to the existence of God for many or even most atheists, but I think it is merely an interesting "problem" with the ideology of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent [and "loving"] God.
Is it 'the problem of evil'?
03 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidThe "should and should not" aspect is governed by the existence of people's moral compasses which does not require a God to exist.
Regardless, even if you object due to evil, that doesn't do away with evil. Simply acknowledging it displays there is a "should and should not" to which many cannot connect the dots on why God would allow it.
I don't see any reason to think a creator entity interferes with humanity or has handed down instructions, except perhaps in the possible design of human consciousness [and conscience].
I think when the "foremost objection to the existence of God" is "the problem of evil", I think THAT objection is to the ideology surrounding the Abrahamic God.
03 Apr 22
@fmf saidWell, without God, the should and should only come from us, like you who thinks I should and should not behave the way I do.
The "should and should not" aspect is governed by the existence of people's moral compasses which does not require a God to exist.
I don't see any reason to think a creator entity interferes with humanity or has handed down instructions, except perhaps in the possible design of human consciousness [and conscience].
I think when the "foremost objection to the existence of Go ...[text shortened]... " is "the problem of evil", I think THAT objection is to the ideology surrounding the Abrahamic God.
03 Apr 22
@fmf saidWithout God, where else would it come from? Why would anyone care what someone else thought about what should or shouldn't happen without God? Even if it is well reasoned out, it would still be another opinion.
Yes, "the should and should" only come from us, that's right.
@fmf saidYou know you and I bump heads all the time, and it still irritates the daylights out of me when I see thumbs down on your posts when you are being reasonable. I don't have to agree with you, but you are simply reasoning things out.
The "should and should not" aspect is governed by the existence of people's moral compasses which does not require a God to exist.
I don't see any reason to think a creator entity interferes with humanity or has handed down instructions, except perhaps in the possible design of human consciousness [and conscience].
I think when the "foremost objection to the existence of Go ...[text shortened]... " is "the problem of evil", I think THAT objection is to the ideology surrounding the Abrahamic God.
03 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidI don't give two hoots about the thumbs. So don't worry about it. When there is that single thumb down post after post, thread after thread, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, it obviously doesn't mean anything about what I say in each post.
You know you and I bump heads all the time, and it still irritates the daylights out of me when I see thumbs down on your posts when you are being reasonable. I don't have to agree with you, but you are simply reasoning things out.
03 Apr 22
@fmf saidI agree it has nothing to do with what you are saying; pity nonetheless. I'll give an occasional thumbs up but whoever is doing that removed the whole reason for the up or down thumb, to begin with, in my opinion. Sorry for the rat hole; now back to my usual irritating posts. 🙂
I don't give two hoots about the thumbs. So don't worry about it. When there is that single thumb down post after post, thread after thread, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, it obviously doesn't mean anything about what I say in each post.
03 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidWithout God, where else would it come from?
Without God, where else would it come from? Why would anyone care what someone else thought about what should or shouldn't happen without God? Even if it is well reasoned out, it would still be another opinion.
From human beings themselves.
Why would anyone care what someone else thought about what should or shouldn't happen without God?
Some people don't care, it's true.
Even if it is well reasoned out, it would still be another opinion.
Moral compasses process moral reasoning and moral opinions and moral decisions. Presumably, your moral compass incorporates religious ideas, as does mine.
03 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidI scarcely ever use thumbs.
I agree it has nothing to do with what you are saying; pity nonetheless. I'll give an occasional thumbs up but whoever is doing that removed the whole reason for the up or down thumb, to begin with, in my opinion. Sorry for the rat hole; now back to my usual irritating posts.
@fmf saidIt depends if you mean “any god”. If a god any god, was an evil god, then evil would actually be an evidence, or at least the outcome of the actions of that god.
Is it 'the problem of evil'?
I think the foremost objection to there being “any” god at all, is the lack of evidence.