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Originally posted by Proper Knobsure they have, FMF opinions are more potent than scripture, he should have his
I nip to the gym for an hour and on my return find the wheels have fallen off your wagon in a disastrous fashion. 😲
own book in the Bible. His opinions amount to,
1. Peter also mentions other crimes therefore these also carry capital punishment,
evidence, nil, a self certified opinion typical of FMF, it must be true because he says
its true.
2. Paul mentions wrongdoers not murderers, therefore the Bible does not in fact
mention capital punishment for murder at all, a rather silly assertion when Paul
speaks of those deserving of death. another weak and practically useless attempt to
take a verse out of context, sure you can buy into it, the gullible usually do, wanna
buy a watch?
3. let him make reference to why Paul stated that there are those who are
murderers and who are deserving of death, please note that he as no valid
argument to this and instead must resort to taking verses out of context, if you are
swayed by this, then would you also like to but a Rolex?
I consider FMF simply to be a time wasting troll, its easier simply to placate him,
yes, yes, you are correct, of course, it must be true, etc etc, and i don't need to
answer the same questions, five, six or seven times and i can get on with far more
interesting things.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI haven't taken the verses out of context. They are on page 4, anyone can look. They do not support your stance.
sure they have, FMF opinions are more potent than scripture, he should have his
own book in the Bible. His opinions amount to,
1. Peter also mentions other crimes therefore these also carry capital punishment,
evidence, nil, a self certified opinion typical of FMF, it must be true because he says
its true.
2. Paul mentions wrongdoers no ...[text shortened]... ing verses out of context, if you are
swayed by this, then would you also like to but a Rolex?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou didn't answer the questions that got to the heart of your stance. That is why I pressed you on them.
I consider FMF simply to be a time wasting troll, its easier simply to placate him, yes, yes, you are correct, of course, it must be true, etc etc, and i don't need to answer the same questions, five, six or seven times and i can get on with far more interesting things.
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePeter also mentions other crimes
Yes he did. Why did he? And how in your view can this verse be cited as supporting the death penalty ONLY for murder?
Paul mentions wrongdoers not murderers, therefore the Bible does not in fact mention capital punishment for murder at all, a rather silly assertion when Paul speaks of those deserving of death.
Yes, that's right. He mentions wrongdoers not murderers. So how can you claim this verse supports the death penalty ONLY for murder?
Originally posted by FMF1. Peter mentions suffering as a murderer, please tell the forum how murderers
[b] Peter also mentions other crimes
Yes he did. Why did he? And how in your view can this verse be cited as supporting the death penalty ONLY for murder?
Paul mentions wrongdoers not murderers, therefore the Bible does not in fact mention capital punishment for murder at all, a rather silly assertion when Paul speaks of those deserving of death. [ ...[text shortened]... oers not murderers. So how can you claim this verse supports the death penalty ONLY for murder?
suffered in he first century, thanks in advance.
2. Paul mentions wrongdoers who are deserving of death, this demonstrates
unequivocally that the Bible writer fully recognises that there are certain crimes, in this
instance, unspecified, which carry the death sentence. The verse was used to
demonstrate that the Bible does not oppose capital punishment.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie1. Peter mentions suffering as a murderer, please tell the forum how murderers
suffered in he first century, thanks in advance.
2. Paul mentions wrongdoers who are deserving of death, this demonstrates
unequivocally that the Bible writer fully recognises that there are certain crimes, in this
instance, unspecified, which carry the death sentence. The verse was used to
demonstrate that the Bible does not oppose capital punishment.
Peter does not only mention "a murderer", he also mentions "a thief" and "an evildoer" and "a busybody in other people’s matters" in exactly the same sentence.
Paul, as you say, "recognises that there are certain crimes, in this instance, unspecified, which carry the death sentence", so how can you claim this verse supports the death penalty ONLY for murder?
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1. again please tell the forum how a murderer would suffer in the first century, thanks
in advance,
2. again does Paul or does he not state that there are certain crimes which carry with it
the death sentence and which are deserving of death, which demonstrates that the
Bible writers did not oppose capital punishment, thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere's the verse again and what you said on page 4.
1. again please tell the forum how a murderer would suffer int he first century, thanks
in advance,
2. again does Paul or does he not state that there are certain crimes which carry with it
the death sentence and which are deserving of death, which demonstrates that the
Bible writers did not oppose capital punishment, thanks in advance.
(1 Peter 4:15) However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or
an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters.
'Here Peter states that government have a right to make a murderer , 'suffer',
probably death, for his crime.' - RC
Doesn't the same verse also state that government have a right to make a thief, 'suffer', probably death, for his crime?
Originally posted by Proper KnobI am no expert on first century law and cannot comment on whether a thief suffered capital punishment or not, or whether a busy body also suffered capital punishment or not, it seems very likely that a murderer would.
Here's the verse again and what you said on page 4.(1 Peter 4:15) However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or
an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters.
'Here Peter states that government have a right to make a murderer , 'suffer',
probably death, for his crime.' - RC
Doesn't the same verse also s ...[text shortened]... government have a right to make a thief, 'suffer', probably death, for his crime?
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OK I concede that in appealing to Caesar Paul is not limiting capital punishment to
murderers,
“Paul said: ‘I am standing before the judgment seat of Caesar, where I ought to be
judged. I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you also are finding out quite well. If, on
the one hand, I am really a wrongdoer and have committed anything deserving of
death, I do not beg off from dying; if, on the other hand, none of those things exists of
which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor. I appeal to
Caesar!’”
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWho was crucified along with Jesus?
I am no expert on first century law and cannot comment on whether a thief suffered capital punishment or not, or whether a busy body also suffered capital punishment or not, it seems very likely that a murderer would.
Matthew 27:38