Originally posted by checkbaiterWhich brings me back to the question of what 'he/she' really is. What exactly is 'in the ground'? When 'he/she' goes to heaven, is 'he/she' coming out of the ground?
False, when a Christian dies, he/she go in the ground, only Jesus is in heaven for now.
Whilst in the ground, does 'he/she' feel/think or otherwise experience anything?
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Originally posted by twhiteheadNo. Everyone dies and is buried. There are no thoughts, no conscience. When Christ returns, the dead in Christ will be raised first, then we which are alive will be caught up together with them. Read Thessalonians.
Which brings me back to the question of what 'he/she' really is. What exactly is 'in the ground'? When 'he/she' goes to heaven, is 'he/she' coming out of the ground?
Whilst in the ground, does 'he/she' feel/think or otherwise experience anything?
The unbeliever will not be raised until the Judgement.
Having said that, this is contrary to traditional Christian teaching. It is what I believe the bible states.
Originally posted by checkbaiterWhat is buried? Are you your body?
No. Everyone dies and is buried. There are no thoughts, no conscience. When Christ returns, the dead in Christ will be raised first, then we which are alive will be caught up together with them.
What is raised? Your body, or something else?
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIOriginally posted by Paul Dirac II
Care to flesh that out?
I know someone whose Baptist minister and the minister's son were killed in a car wreck. Do any of the following appeal to you?
1. The minister and his son could not have been TRUE Christians.
2. That WAS God's way of showing His love to those people.
3. God does not involve Himself in the manner and timing of death.
4. It was a test to see if ot ...[text shortened]... two persons would be resurrected. Nobody prayed, so they were not resurrected and remain dead.
#1 is not true because anyone can die in a car accident
#2 is preposterous because the bible says death is our enemy.
#3 He does but every case would be different. What you do not see, is the spiritual battle going on around us between demonic forces and angels from God. There are consequences to war, sometimes people die before their time. The choices we make are also to be considered. Maybe he was a negligent driver, I do not know, there are a lot of variables.
#4 Again, preposterous and a weak attempt to mock God.
There, this should give you enough ammo for your next attack on Christians.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterIts not that simple. My body changes all the time. The atoms comprising my body are replaced many times over during my life time. So maybe I should be asking, what is my body?
Me and my body go together... doesn't yours?
Now suppose somebody goes insane a year before they die. They then loose all their memories, 6 months before they die. Then they are involved in a serious shooting, and half their brain is removed 2 months before they die.
Is this the same body that goes into the ground and is resurrected later?
Originally posted by checkbaiterThere are believers who make the claim that God is absolutely sovereign. Not even a single subatomic particle moves in a way that is independent of His will.
What you do not see, is the spiritual battle going on around us between demonic forces and angels from God. There are consequences to war, sometimes people die before their time. The choices we make are also to be considered. Maybe he was a negligent driver, I do not know, there are a lot of variables.
Do you disagree with those who claim that?
Originally posted by twhiteheadI do not think a body with missing parts would bring glory to God. I do not see it as something mechanical. God said he was able to raise up people and restore them from a pile of bones. Why would you think so lowly of Gods goodness and love.?
Its not that simple. My body changes all the time. The atoms comprising my body are replaced many times over during my life time. So maybe I should be asking, what is my body?
Now suppose somebody goes insane a year before they die. They then loose all their memories, 6 months before they die. Then they are involved in a serious shooting, and half thei ...[text shortened]... nths before they die.
Is this the same body that goes into the ground and is resurrected later?
Originally posted by checkbaiterI do not think lowly of Gods goodness and love, nor have I made any assertions about God or what he does or does not do. I have asked for clarification about things you have said, and it is still far from clear. Are my questions unclear, are you reluctant to answer them, or do you simply not know the answers?
Why would you think so lowly of Gods goodness and love.?