@wolfgang59 saidI actually found this funny, unlike most of what you write in this forum.
Four kinds of transport
1.) Eternal transport - being in a jam on M25
2.) Borrowed transport - carjacking.
3.) Communal transport - uber
4.) Governmental transport (great examples) - bus or train
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidOh man! I really like that one.
'Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.'
Mark Twain
Mark Twain is one of my literary heroes, but I'd never heard that quip before. Nice!
Just one more reason to appreciate him. 😊
@sonship saidYour response to my 14 elements was textbook misdirection and prevarication. It had a thoroughly evasive air about it. If such reticence was not caused by feelings of being "ashamed", what was the reason?
"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)
I am not ashamed that this verse is in my Bible.
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@FMF
It was basically the same complaint 14 times. And you will probably try to expand it to more "elements".
For an atheist who likes to flash his badge at every chance he can get and says saved or lost doesn't matter one way or the other, this seems odd behavior.
If you find out you were wrong, you'll have ample time to convince God that there is no such thing as sin. You can teach Him that that is only for religious people with deities.
It should be interesting.
@sonship saidI don't believe I am going to be tormented for eternity in a burning fire after I die, that's true. But it doesn't mean we cannot discuss your ideology which is morally rooted in the assertion that non-believers will be tormented for eternity in a burning fire. This is a debate and discussion forum after all.
For an atheist who likes to flash his badge at every chance he can get and says saved or lost doesn't matter one way or the other, this seems odd behavior.
@sonship saidThis makes you sound like you are trying to psychologically abuse a child. This kind of rhetorical gimmick is worthless.
If you find out you were wrong, you'll have ample time to convince God that there is no such thing as sin. You can teach Him that that is only for religious people with deities.
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@sonship saidYou are not telling the truth. Each one adds a piece of information or detail to the ideology:
@FMF
It was basically the same complaint 14 times.
1: Non-believers are supposedly thrown into a Lake of Fire.
2: Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.
3: This is punishment and revenge for their lack of faith and belief in the Christian God/Jesus.
4: They have 'failed to believe' that they were forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection.
5: This lack of belief and failure are unforgivable.
6: In Hell/The Lake of Fire they are not destroyed and they are not allowed to die in order to escape the flames. They are conscious. They are tormented by the flames.
7: This torture is everlasting. {repetitive}
8: The still living Jesus and some angels look on - for eternity - as all these non-Christians suffer in the flames.
9: This punishment is for unforgiven sins and is perfect justice and the ultimate morality.
10: Lack of Christian belief makes a person a willing participant in the rebellion against God of a supernatural figure called Satan.
11: Everyone should fear God's wrath and choose to believe the Jesus story.
12: Christians who believe all these things, and who believe that their sins have been forgiven BECAUSE they believe all these things, go to Heaven.
13: God created billions and billions of human beings with the explicit foreknowledge that they would adhere to other religions and traditions and, as a consequence, be subjected to everlasting torture in this way.
14: But, because of 'free will', those billions of people who do go to Hell, they send themselves there knowingly and wilfully, even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology.