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    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

    The Introduction:

    "...Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

    The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's version and Luke's, are pious fiction. Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century AD – the area was a burial ground of rock-cut tombs.

    With multiple authors behind the original gospel story it is no surprise that the figure of "Jesus" is a mess of contradictions. Yet the story is so thinly drawn that being a "good Christian" might mean almost anything.

    The 12 disciples are as fictitious as their master, invented to legitimise the claims of the early churches. The original Mary was not a virgin, that idea was borrowed from pagan goddesses. The pagan world knew all about virgins getting pregnant by randy gods: The Mythical "Virgin Mother".

    Scholars have known all this for more than 200 years but priestcraft is a highly profitable business and finances an industry of deceit to keep the show on the road."

    ****

    Mmmm! Jesus - your "saviour" and godman, fine. But of the whole universe, while everyone else are blind heathens, bound for 'hell' - no, unacceptable and begging for some deconstruction.

    The writer, Kenneth Humphries and his arguments can be questioned but history has some facts to be wrestled with. He presents it forcefully, extensively, with all well researched.

    History tragics will delight.

    Open-minded reflection is the main path to insight. Sometimes a compassionate whack helps.
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    20 Sep '12 04:431 edit
    Originally posted by Taoman
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

    The Introduction:

    "...Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

    The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's ded reflection is the main path to insight. Sometimes a compassionate whack helps.
    Obviously, this is another deception of Satan the devil.

    YouTube
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    20 Sep '12 05:36
    Originally posted by Taoman
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

    The Introduction:

    "...Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

    The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's ...[text shortened]... ded reflection is the main path to insight. Sometimes a compassionate whack helps.
    interesting site. in the audio section next to the "shuffling the deck" article, the commentator talks about the growing legend of christ which i have discussed here in the past.
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    20 Sep '12 06:51
    Originally posted by Taoman
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

    The Introduction:

    "...Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

    The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's ...[text shortened]... ded reflection is the main path to insight. Sometimes a compassionate whack helps.
    Sometimes bunk is bunk.
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    20 Sep '12 07:273 edits
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    interesting site. in the audio section next to the "shuffling the deck" article, the commentator talks about the growing legend of christ which i have discussed here in the past.
    He's put a lot of work into it. I was of the opinion that Jesus was a specific historical figure, but he does give enough reasoning and facts to leave one asking what is left after the various streams from other sources of that fomenting time, and other 'Jeshuas' are examined.

    Some obscure itinerant preacher perhaps, that coalesced into a local legend from various talked of figures of the time after the early unknown 30 to 40 years of gestation, before Mark's "gospel" emerged. Who knows - objective evidence is absent. But eventually the powers of the time used the legend to great and abiding effect, and very brutal at times too.

    All paths including Buddhism, can gather these historic accretions of legend. It is whether we can be open to it and gather what inspiration and truth there is in the myth-making.

    Ever play pass the whisper? How it comes out totally different at the end? 40 years (from whatever) is a long time. No verification means, all word of mouth.
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    20 Sep '12 07:31
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Sometimes bunk is bunk.
    Yes.
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    20 Sep '12 09:22
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Sometimes bunk is bunk.
    So in other words, you don't have any real arguments to counter those presented.
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    20 Sep '12 10:17
    Originally posted by Vartiovuori
    So in other words, you don't have any real arguments to counter those presented.
    http://bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

    What is there to argue anyway?

    The history of the Jesus or Christ myth theory or hypotheis can be traced to the Frenchmen Constantin-François Volney and Charles François Dupuis in the 1790s. It is purely conjecture.

    http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wellsga01.html
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    20 Sep '12 10:57
    Originally posted by Taoman
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

    The Introduction:

    "...Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

    The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's ...[text shortened]... ded reflection is the main path to insight. Sometimes a compassionate whack helps.
    You err not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.
    I might add, not knowing the culture, nor figures of speech in the bible.
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    20 Sep '12 11:45
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    http://bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

    What is there to argue anyway?

    The history of the Jesus or Christ myth theory or hypotheis can be traced to the Frenchmen Constantin-François Volney and Charles François Dupuis in the 1790s. It is purely conjecture.

    http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wellsga01.html
    At least the link is a viable (but unconvincing) discussion.

    Not just conjecture; there are both established historic facts of the time, and total lack of any evidence about the godman 'Jeshua' outside the 'New Testament' polemic.

    To my surprise, a Nazareth cannot be established to exist at the time of the supposed events. How it was 'manufactured' since then is found in the site. This 'Jeshua' may have been a Nazorean, or Nazarene, which is not linked in meaning to any 'Nazareth', but to one of the many religious sects of the time. Nobody recorded anything about this person or his impact at all, for 40 years after the supposed events. No objective witness says anything. The godman that just slipped in, unnoticed.

    Further from the site:

    "...Messianic savior god, promising a personal salvation – the ultimate product of East Mediterranean syncretism.

    Synthetic, composite character, combining characteristics of Serapis (king and judge), with Greek sage (wisdom, compassion), Antinous (perfect man, protecting sacrifice) and the Roman variant of the sun-god – Mithras.

    The winning ingredient of the Christians was to bring this new god to life by setting him in a Jewish pageant, clobbered together from plagiarized episodes of Old Testament scripture (over 400 direct quotes) and well-worn pagan motifs. To Constantine the superstition was useful.

    The various 'biographies' (gospels) were never fully harmonized; it took over three centuries of violence to more or less agree the underpinning 'theology' ..."

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/melange.html
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    20 Sep '12 15:07
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    You err not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.
    I might add, not knowing the culture, nor figures of speech in the bible.
    You must be talking about anyone other than Taoman. Your descriptions of him compared to mine are complete opposite.
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    20 Sep '12 17:00
    Originally posted by Taoman
    At least the link is a viable (but unconvincing) discussion.

    Not just conjecture; there are both established historic facts of the time, and total lack of any evidence about the godman 'Jeshua' outside the 'New Testament' polemic.

    To my surprise, a Nazareth cannot be established to exist at the time of the supposed events. How it was 'manufactured' si ...[text shortened]... he underpinning 'theology' ..."

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/melange.html
    There is nothing that can be done for you, if you wish to continue in this deception. When evil men speak you listen.
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    20 Sep '12 17:17
    Originally posted by Taoman
    He's put a lot of work into it. I was of the opinion that Jesus was a specific historical figure, but he does give enough reasoning and facts to leave one asking what is left after the various streams from other sources of that fomenting time, and other 'Jeshuas' are examined.

    Some obscure itinerant preacher perhaps, that coalesced into a local legend fr ...[text shortened]... he end? 40 years (from whatever) is a long time. No verification means, all word of mouth.
    I am of the opinion that every historical figure of note becomes fictionalized to a greater or lesser extent over time. Who is the real Jesus, or William of Normandy, or Abraham Lincoln? One wonders what such people would think of what they have become in our memories.
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    20 Sep '12 17:28
    Originally posted by Vartiovuori
    So in other words, you don't have any real arguments to counter those presented.
    You mean other than it's sheer crap?
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    20 Sep '12 18:15
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You must be talking about anyone other than Taoman. Your descriptions of him compared to mine are complete opposite.
    you have to expect a certain amount of ignorant comments from those who don't have enough knowledge to argue against the presented points.
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