Germainwings crash

@chaney3 said
God of gimme?

Wanting to take a plane flight and arrive at your destination without being murdered by the co-pilot.

Please explain.

It is about God serving man.

@chaney3 said
This thread will be about whether a person praying to God for something can be 'trumped' by someone else's free will.

As well as a possible plan from God for someone's life, but it is thwarted by another's free will.

This is the point ThinkofOne.

@chaney3 said
This is the point ThinkofOne.

I understood your point.

Not sure why you don't understand mine. Perhaps the following will lend perspective:

Matthew 13
. 22“And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

John 18
36Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

People pray to the God of Gimme for things of this world.

@thinkofone said
I understood your point.

Not sure why you don't understand mine. Perhaps the following will lend perspective:

Matthew 13
. 22“And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

John 18
36Jesus answered, “[b]My ...[text shortened]... t is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

People pray to the God of Gimme for things of this world.

You are off base here.

If a person on a plane prays to reach their destination safely, they are not a 'gimme' person.

And.....they shouldn't have to worry about a co-pilot with a death wish.

Unless....God approved it all.

@chaney3 said
You are off base here.

If a person on a plane prays to reach their destination safely, they are not a 'gimme' person.

And.....they shouldn't have to worry about a co-pilot with a death wish.

Unless....God approved it all.

If a person on a plane prays to reach their destination safely, they are not a 'gimme' person.

Are they or are they not asking for something of this world?

As I said:

The gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth is about the God of Truth. It is about man serving God.

The gospel in which many Christians believe is about the God of Gimme. It is about God serving man.

The "paradoxes" which you keep uncovering are a result of the latter.

@thinkofone said
If a person on a plane prays to reach their destination safely, they are not a 'gimme' person.

Are they or are they not asking for something of this world?

As I said:

The gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth is about the God of Truth. It is about man serving God.

The gospel in which many Christians believe is about the God of Gimme. I ...[text shortened]... ut God serving man.

The "paradoxes" which you keep uncovering are a result of the latter.

You have severly missed the point of this thread.

@chaney3 said
You have severly missed the point of this thread.

The point of your OP boils down to the fact that that it's really difficult to make sense of the concepts that you hear from many Christians about "predestination", "free will", "prayer", etc.

The answer is simple: It doesn't make sense because those concepts are a lot of nonsense. Things don't add up because those concepts are a lot of nonsense. The foundation for those concepts are rooted in the gospel in which many Christians believe which is about the God of Gimme.

@thinkofone said
The point of your OP boils down to the fact that that it's really difficult to make sense of the concepts that you hear from many Christians about "predestination", "free will", "prayer", etc.

The answer is simple: It doesn't make sense because those concepts are a lot of nonsense. Things don't add up because those concepts are a lot of nonsense. The foundation for tho ...[text shortened]... concepts are rooted in the gospel in which many Christians believe which is about the God of Gimme.

Your argument is weak, and has nothing to do with the OP.

When does man's free will interfere with God's will?

@chaney3 said
Your argument is weak, and has nothing to do with the OP.

When does man's free will interfere with God's will?

You're never going to get everything to add up, so long as you believe the concepts that you hear from many Christians about "predestination", "free will", "prayer", an OOO God, etc. It's nonsensical. But I'll leave you to it.

@thinkofone said
You're never going to get everything to add up, so long as you believe the concepts that you hear from many Christians about "predestination", "free will", "prayer", an OOO God, etc. It's nonsensical. But I'll leave you to it.

You have surrendered.

I am seeking a plausible explanation.

@chaney3 said
You have surrendered.

I am seeking a plausible explanation.

You're " seeking a plausible explanation" to that which is nonsensical and fundamentally flawed? I'll leave you to it.

-Removed-

If you pray to God, and He is ready to answer your prayer......then suddenly free will by someone else intervenes....it could neutraluze the answered prayer.

I don't know the rules, and neither did the passengers aboard that flight.

@chaney3 said
I may be a bit confused at your questions.

I am NOT certain where man's free will may interfere with a 'possible' plan predestined by God.

Hence the question for debate.

When God created everything, it was called very good, everything required for it to remain that way was there. Then someone decided to not go along with the way it was set up and death, and all manner of evil entered into the human experience. Why does it surprise you that the evil continues? If we can love and do good, doesn't that also mean we still have those same abilities not too as well? This is a fallen world filled with broken and fallen people, but there is hope.