Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm not afraid of anything but a man that can't answer an honest question with an honest answer. You must be a used car salesman....
Just can't ask a relevant question can you?
Some of you guys seem to be so afraid of what Jesus taught that you resort to finding any reason, however irrelevant, in order to avoid it.
Originally posted by galveston75Then why ask questions about me when faced with a teaching of Jesus that doesn't fit your belief system? You should be asking questions about your belief system instead.
I'm not afraid of anything but a man that can't answer an honest question with an honest answer. You must be a used car salesman....
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWell, I'd like to discuss this matter with you, if you don't mind, since it seems clear to me that the issue I raised falsifies your argument.
I wasn't planning on it. The last few times you've responded to my posts, it became clear that you were interested in voicing your opinion rather than engaging in a discussion, so there seemed to be little point.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOnedo you have any comment upon the scripture that was cited, for it is clear, that Christ's disciples would be identified by the love that they have for one another. Why should this be the case? for by following Christ commandments, commandments like preaching and teaching from house to house, they would, just as the scripture indicated, display a self sacrificing love, even as Christ himself displayed.
Jesus said to "follow HIS commandments, continue in HIS word, etc." not to merely "state that one keeps and remains within the teachings of Christ" as you put.
John 8:32
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you fr is true disciples will know the truth and be made free from the slavery of committing sin.
(John 13:34-35) I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”
Love is the predominant quality of Christians, not self righteousness.
Originally posted by epiphinehasYou know last time I was under the impression that you were interested in a discussion, but based on comments you made and your actions, it became clear that you were interested in anything but. Why should I believe that this would be different? Telling me that you believe you have a strong argument doesn't mean that you sincerely want to have a DISCUSSION and all that that usually entails.
Well, I'd like to discuss this matter with you, if you don't mind, since it seems clear to me that the issue I raised falsifies your argument.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn your previous post, you created a strawman by saying "is quite easy to state that one keeps and remains within the teachings of Christ" when Jesus spoke of actually keeping His commandments, continuing in His word, etc. Now you've created another by speaking of "self righteousness" when Jesus taught "righteousness. What's up with that?
do you have any comment upon the scripture that was cited, for it is clear, that Christ's disciples would be identified by the love that they have for one another. Why should this be the case? for by following Christ commandments, commandments like preaching and teaching from house to house, they would, just as the scripture indicated, display a se ...[text shortened]... mong yourselves.”
Love is the predominant quality of Christians, not self righteousness.[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneok, so you dont have any thoughts on the actual text, well i am not going to ask a third time, thanks for well, nothing really.
In your previous post, you created a strawman by saying "is quite easy to [b]state that one keeps and remains within the teachings of Christ" when Jesus spoke of actually keeping His commandments, continuing in His word, etc. Now you've created another by speaking of "self righteousness" when Jesus taught "righteousness. What's up with that?[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou must first be able to understand that what Jesus taught is something very different from what you were stating for you to be able to put the text you quoted into context.
ok, so you dont have any thoughts on the actual text, well i am not going to ask a third time, thanks for well, nothing really.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneactually i made continued reference to the text, which, after analysis, seemed perfectly consistent with what i wrote. i am sure you are now going to enlighten us as to the 'actual', meaning, are you not? But to help you along, ill give you a clue, its in the wording, 'as i have loved you'.
You must first be able to understand that what Jesus taught is something very different from what you were stating for you to be able to put the text you quoted into context.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was speaking of the two strawman arguments you made earlier. If you are unfamiliar with the term, you can consult wiki.
actually i made continued reference to the text, which, after analysis, seemed perfectly consistent with what i wrote. i am sure you are now going to enlighten us as to the 'actual', meaning, are you not? But to help you along, ill give you a clue, its in the wording, 'as i have loved you'.