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Spirituality

  1. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 09:55
    God is love, it isn't that He is loving, He is love.
    God's Kingdom has two main rules, Love God and each other,
    everything else hangs on these two rules.

    In this life God allows us freedom to do what we will, we can strive to
    follow God in God's ways, or we can act following our instincts man's ways.
    In this universe God rules over we can choose to do things by following
    the Lord King of the universe who is Love, or we can follow the world,
    our flesh, or the devil. We can choose to establish our own righteousness
    or accept a gift from the God who loves us, it is enough. He tells us how
    to come to Him, but we can do what we will for as long as we will, any
    way we will.

    So, to enter God's Kingdom we repent, turn to God through Jesus Christ,
    receive Him into our hearts, and follow Him. We receive God's Spirit
    within ourselves, and we can be filled with God's Spirit, and walk as close to
    God as we strive too, if we hunger and thirst for Him we well be filled, if
    not. The way to God was established by God not man, it is through
    Jesus Christ, which is good since He never fails, and because we have
    a sinful bent that ruins everything we do in our nature.

    God is love and if you want to walk with Him and learn His ways you can.
    God is love and if you want to serve Him and learn about Him you can.
    God is love and if you want to serve Him by serving those He died for you can.
    God is love and if you want to be forgiven you can, He set it up just for
    us, He took on our sins and became sin for us, and He tells us to forgive
    all who sin against us as He has forgiven us.
    God is love and He loves us while we were yet sinners and calls us to
    Him, we cannot make ourselves good enough, it is never God loves us
    because we of what we did or do, He loves us because God is love.
    God is love and with His Spirit within us we will see the fruit of His
    Spirit which are: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
    patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
    against such things there is no law.
    God is love if we turn from our wicked ways towards Him, He can cover
    us with His grace and mercy, not because we deserve it, but because He
    loves us.

    God is love he will not force Himself upon us, so if we just mouth us
    loyalty to Him but keep our hearts from Him, He will honor our heart
    which is the reality of our souls.

    Isaiah 29:13
    And the Lord said: “Because this people draw near with their mouth and
    honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their
    fear of me is a commandment taught by men,

    God is love, His judgments are always going to be based on truth.
    God is love and if you want to be His enemy in this life you can be.
    God is love and if you want to ignore Him you can.
    God is love and if you want to suggest He isn't real you can.
    God is love and if you want to hate your brother you can.
    God is love and if you want to avoid Him by establishing your own
    rules you can by rebelling against God.
    God is love you can do your own thing, or turn to Him it is always
    up to you.
    God is love if you want to accuse Him of anything you can.
    In the end truth will be on display.

    God is love and wants to act on mercy and will with those to come for it.
  2. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 10:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    God is love, it isn't that He is loving, He is love.
    God's Kingdom has two main rules, Love God and each other,
    everything else hangs on these two rules.

    In this life God allows us freedom to do what we will, we can strive to
    follow God in God's ways, or we can act following our instincts man's ways.
    In this universe God rules over we can choose to ...[text shortened]... will be on display.

    God is love and wants to act on mercy and will with those to come for it.
    The flaw in your reasoning which you lack the intellect to see is that by your interpretation, God will torture for all eternity those who do not follow these two rules of yours:

    Love God and each other, everything else hangs on these two rules.

    Again going by your definition, to love God is to profess that you believe. That is not a God of love. That is unreasonable and vile hatred for the innocent. Your doctrine is a convoluted mess.
  3. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 11:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    The flaw in your reasoning which you lack the intellect to see is that by your interpretation, God will torture for all eternity those who do not follow these two rules of yours:

    [b] Love God and each other, everything else hangs on these two rules.


    Again going by your definition, to love God is to profess that you believe. That is not a God of ...[text shortened]... love. That is unreasonable and vile hatred for the innocent. Your doctrine is a convoluted mess.[/b]
    I don’t have a god, God created the universe and everything in it. What God does and will do is written in His Word. So with respect to the doctrine of Hell, what does the Word of God say, it is most certainly not what you or I think that matters on this topic, or any other when God has spoken about it.
  4. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 11:22
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    I don’t have a god, God created the universe and everything in it. What God does and will do is written in His Word. So with respect to the doctrine of Hell, what does the Word of God say, it is most certainly not what you or I think that matters on this topic, or any other when God has spoken about it.
    What is one thing the Word of God says ?

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28 KJV)

    Jesus is the Word, Jesus is the Way. Your profession of faith that you believe that Jesus is the Way is a hollow belief because you do not believe in Jesus when he said that God will destroy souls in hell. You said previously when i confronted you with this passage about souls being DESTROYED vs TORTURED, you said that not because Jesus says so means it will happen .. therefore you gravitate to your false church doctrine of eternal torture rather than what Jesus states here clearly THAT THEY WILL BE DESTROYED.

    You are just another deluded Christians trying to promote another false doctrine. Dive has a valid question .. why would nonChristians believe in what you people say when everything is so false?
  5. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 12:53
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    What is one thing the Word of God says ?

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28 KJV)

    Jesus is the Word, Jesus is the Way. Your profession of faith that you believe that Jesus is the Way is a hollow belief because you do not ...[text shortened]... question .. why would nonChristians believe in what you people say when everything is so false?
    You are twisting that scripture, it doesn’t say God will destroy, but is able. Do not add to the Word, scripture is quite clear on the duration.
  6. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 13:05
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    You are twisting that scripture, it doesn’t say God will destroy, but is able. Do not add to the Word, scripture is quite clear on the duration.
    So Jesus is saying to fear something that will never happen?
    Why fear that God is able to destroy body and soul then?
  7. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 13:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    So Jesus is saying to fear something that will never happen?
    Why fear that God is able to destroy body and soul then?
    Because He can, and comparing that to what man can do to it is wiser to not worry about man compared to God! Which was the point Jesus was making!
  8. 19 Jul '18 13:29
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    God is love, it isn't that He is loving, He is love.
    God's Kingdom has two main rules, Love God and each other,
    everything else hangs on these two rules.

    In this life God allows us freedom to do what we will, we can strive to
    follow God in God's ways, or we can act following our instincts man's ways.
    In this universe God rules over we can choose to ...[text shortened]... will be on display.

    God is love and wants to act on mercy and will with those to come for it.
    What humans call love is not love.
  9. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 13:36
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Because He can, and comparing that to what man can do to it is wiser to not worry about man compared to God! Which was the point Jesus was making!
    Do you read the nonsense you write?
    Is there a point in fearing God if according to you what Jesus said will not happen?
    There is no point in fearing God.
  10. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 14:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Do you read the nonsense you write?
    Is there a point in fearing God if according to you what Jesus said will not happen?
    There is no point in fearing God.
    Then all of the times Jesus did speak to the duration of suffering, when no words have to be altered, them you choose to ignore too?
  11. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 16:06
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Then all of the times Jesus did speak to the duration of suffering, when no words have to be altered, them you choose to ignore too?
    Eternal punishment is not equivalent to eternal torture, like I know you believe.
    Jesus never preached eternal torture for anyone except in Revelation there are three evil beings Satan and his angels.
  12. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 16:51
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Eternal punishment is not equivalent to eternal torture, like I know you believe.
    Jesus never preached eternal torture for anyone except in Revelation there are three evil beings Satan and his angels.
    I am not interested in how you view what is equivalent to what. What words were used in scripture, that and only that matters. People alter the text to suit themselves all the time, they add words, change the meaning of clear text so that they can interpret the Word instead of just quote it, so what does the Word say?
  13. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 17:01
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    I am not interested in how you view what is equivalent to what. What words were used in scripture, that and only that matters. People alter the text to suit themselves all the time, they add words, change the meaning of clear text so that they can interpret the Word instead of just quote it, so what does the Word say?
    Well please quote the passage where Jesus says that people will be eternally tortured.
  14. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    19 Jul '18 17:08
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Well please quote the passage where Jesus says that people will be eternally tortured.
    There isn’t one where tortured is used, but since that isn’t my stance why are you asking me?
  15. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    19 Jul '18 17:09
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    There isn’t one where tortured is used, but since that isn’t my stance why are you asking me?
    Well there is no argument then. You dont believe that anyone is eternally tortured.
    Good then.