Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"The way you talk about God Whom Jesus called [b]"My Father" is very destructive, insulting towards God."
i talk that way about the fictional monster portrayed in the OT. the real God is not that guy.
"Can you point out Jesus speaking about the God in the Old Testament in the manner that you have written here?"
jesus was a diplomat. he had a job ...[text shortened]... one to kill all the women and children of a nation. Ludicrous. Nevermind them, how've you been?"[/b]
i talk that way about the fictional monster portrayed in the OT. the real God is not that guy.
Jesus did not teach that His Father was "fictional" in the Hebrew Bible. Quite the contrary. It is your ignorance that is monstrous.
All Christ had was the "Old Testament" as scripture. Where did He teach it was "fictional" or its God was "fictional" ?
me: "Can you point out Jesus speaking about the God in the Old Testament in the manner that you have written here?"
you: jesus was a diplomat. he had a job to do, to teach. he didn't specifically said how much of a monster the OT God character was, he just kindly overruled most of the laws supposedly given by God in the OT.
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You're projecting your own diplomatic schemes on to the Son of God.
Concerning the rituals of the law of Moses, Christ underplayed some. Concerning the morality of the law, He deepened it, heightened it, and made it more penetrating. He made it more obvious that we need salvation and a Savior.
Concerning ritual aspects of the law, He pointed to Himself as the anti-type or reality, to which these symbolic actions referred.
That He intended NOT to abolish the moral aspect of the law is seen in this teaching:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
For truly I say to you, Until heaven and earth pass away, one iota or one serif shall by no means pass away from the law until all come to pass." (Matt. 5:17,18)
me:
"Site your examples of Jesus agreeing with you in the New Testament. "
you: stopping the stoning of the woman.
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That story has about 11 verses in
John 8:1-11. Please spell out WHICH verse Jesus says ANYTHING derogatory about God in the Old Testament.
He shined upon the people's consciences, that no one, except Himself, was qualified to stone the woman. He did not bad mouth Yahweh. That's
your agenda.
turn the other cheek instead of "eye for an eye".
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Again, He made the commandment
MORE penetrating and even
MORE demanding. This obviated the need for another life altogether. No one could make it. Only Jesus can make it.
Therefore in this instance He hightened the nature of the commandment to touch not just the outward actions but the inner motive. He was speaking about Himself actually. He was discribing how He Himself lived, yet in the form of commandments.
The need for His salvation and His indwelling is being taught. Only Christ is pleasing to God. And we need both the redemption of His blood in forgiveness
(Matt. 26:26-30) and His available spiritual presence with us until the end of the age
(Matt. 28:20).
There is no bad mouthing about God in the Old Testament of any kind in the four Gospels. There is no bad mouthing about God in the Old Testament anywhere in the New Testament.
That's
your agenda as an accuser against God and to establish your own self righteousness.
not telling anyone "those guys are idol worshippers", kill them.
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The once in history theocratic nation with a specific land conquest occurred to Israel. The conquest of a physical promise land with enemies of God upon it is not the burden of the Gospel.
But the ruthlessness to drive out the old fallen nature that God may spread the life and nature of Christ in His believers is just as strict. The conquest that Christ taught is TOWARD one's own soul.
In all this teaching, however, He did not denigrate in any way God in the Hebrew Bible. That's
your slanderous and perverted "diplomacy."
by following jesus, one must be repulsed by the killings done in his name, both fictional and real.
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I agree with that. But because you can be repulsed doesn't mean you are automatically a lover of God. You may be repulsed because you are obsessed with thinking "At least I am not that bad."
This repulsion just gives you ground to boast of your self righteousness. This boasting is expressed in slandering God and even trying to enlist Christ to join you, which He never did.
i find the genocide of the canaanites (fictional) just as repulsive as the massacres done by the crusades in the middle ages, again supposedly at the command of god.
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I noticed that it was not the thnicity of the people that God was angry about. It was there sins. And the very SAME sins caused Him to punish at times His own Israelite nations.
Were they not also punished for idol worship?
Were they not also punished for fornication,oppression, adultery and other sins? They were. Sometimes a punishment from God overtook them in large numbers.
This proves that is was not genocide against an ethnic race or culture that God was after. It was the elimination of the sinning done by
WHOEVER practiced it.