God Returns

Originally posted by sonhouse
That said, there still is a discrepancy in pay, females have always lagged behind women in pay even if they are superior at their jobs. Seems the odds are stacked against women in several ways, culturally and financially.

Did you get paid the same in your teaching job in math as a male in the same job?

Do you think that taking time off to have and raise children has anything to do with that
pay discrepancy? It isn't skills, because I agree women are just as skilled as men and can
be better at their jobs even in the Engineering world.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you think that taking time off to have and raise children has anything to do with that
pay discrepancy? It isn't skills, because I agree women are just as skilled as men and can
be better at their jobs even in the Engineering world.

You are close. You need to consider that children have two parents and yet our societies are organised in a way that ensures childrcare responsibilities (not just childbirth) disadvantage women vastly more than men. Modern men do sometimes play a role in childcare but that is always a choice. Corporations and public employers too feel they can utterly disregard the concept of childcare and family responsibilities when placing demands on their emplyees. America does not even offer paid maternity leave as a right, seeing parenting as an entirely private responsibility for which social provision is not required. You reap what you sow.

Originally posted by finnegan
You are close. You need to consider that children have two parents and yet our societies are organised in a way that ensures childrcare responsibilities (not just childbirth) disadvantage women vastly more than men. Modern men do sometimes play a role in childcare but that is always a choice. Corporations and public employers too feel they can utterly dis ...[text shortened]... irely private responsibility for which social provision is not required. You reap what you sow.

Not just societies, their bodies are setup to feed the babies in ways fathers cannot. That
alone would set women apart for being the better choice for taking care of the kids at the
much earlier ages.

Now I'm not sure why you think Corporations and public employers are required to take
up or even care about someone's child care. For that reason that seems to be a burden
upon others that they may not feel is their responsibility to take care of.

Some employers do care and offer above and beyond child care, but there are those that
can and those that cannot. If you make those that cannot due to money constraints take
it upon themselves to do that, it is just then another burden they must take on to survive.

So when it is the person's responsibility and not someone else' to take care of their own
lives?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not just societies, their bodies are setup to feed the babies in ways fathers cannot. That
alone would set women apart for being the better choice for taking care of the kids at the
much earlier ages.

Now I'm not sure why you think Corporations and public employers are required to take
up or even care about someone's child care. For that reason that s ...[text shortened]... o when it is the person's responsibility and not someone else' to take care of their own
lives?

So when it is the person's responsibility and not someone else' to take care of their own
lives?
Some people argue that that is where Christianity came in. I am not so sure and your version of Christianity is evidently not what we are looking for.

The conditions under which we collectively organize society and family life, economics and employment practices, are not biologically determined and not fixed in stone nor are they dictated by any recognizable God. The USA is one of the few countries in the world failing to provide for maternity leave and it is fascinating to me that you fail to recognize the possibility that this must result in discrimination and economic disadvantage.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/good-job-america-a-map-of-maternity-leave-policies-around-the-world/373117/

Originally posted by finnegan
[b]So when it is the person's responsibility and not someone else' to take care of their own
lives?
Some people argue that that is where Christianity came in. I am not so sure and your version of Christianity is evidently not what we are looking for.

The conditions under which we collectively organize society and family life, economics and employme ...[text shortened]... ness/archive/2014/06/good-job-america-a-map-of-maternity-leave-policies-around-the-world/373117/[/b]

There is a difference between a hand up and a way of life, and when the hand up becomes
a way of life it is a drain on others that should not be there.

Originally posted by KellyJay
There is a difference between a hand up and a way of life, and when the hand up becomes
a way of life it is a drain on others that should not be there.

==="This state of affairs places America in a very small group: countries that neither provide new parents with some sort of Social Security-esque benefit nor require that businesses pay their employees even a portion of their normal salaries. According to the map above, the U.S. is joined by Suriname and Papua New Guinea. It is the lone developed nation with this status.==="

In virtually every other country in the world, and not just the most developed ones, maternity, childbirth and childcare is indeed a way of life. In the USA, exceptionally, maternity is apparently to be regarded as a drain on others that should not be there.

Originally posted by finnegan
==="This state of affairs places America in a very small group: countries that neither provide new parents with some sort of Social Security-esque benefit nor require that businesses pay their employees even a portion of their normal salaries. According to the map above, the U.S. is joined by Suriname and Papua New Guinea. It is the lone developed nation wi ...[text shortened]... ptionally, maternity is apparently to be regarded as a drain on others that should not be there.

Unbridled maternity is what is ruining the planet. If you noticed, we are rapidly closing in on 8 billion people. That is about 8 times more than the planet can long term support.

Gripping about it doesn't do much good however, since it is way too late for humans to bring down the world population short of nuclear war.

We are not only going to have to worry about 8 billion but also 10 billion and 20 billion.

We are growing like rabbits and that has one end game. Billions starving.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Unbridled maternity is what is ruining the planet. If you noticed, we are rapidly closing in on 8 billion people. That is about 8 times more than the planet can long term support.

Gripping about it doesn't do much good however, since it is way too late for humans to bring down the world population short of nuclear war.

We are not only going to have ...[text shortened]... ion and 20 billion.

We are growing like rabbits and that has one end game. Billions starving.

Thank you for that insight. Does this Malthusian reasoning lie behind American policy on maternity provision?

Are you advocating the oppression of women as a way to curtail population growth? If so the evidence suggests your proposed approach will fail.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So when it is the person's responsibility and not someone else' to take care of their own
lives?

You answer.

Do you not have a Christian responsibility for your neighbour?