Originally posted by @rajk999I provided this verse to you before. You don’t remember?
So you made this statement with no proof :
People can be assured they’re going to heaven while they are still alive on earth based on the promises of a completely holy and trustworthy God.
Now you want me to provide a reference that says the opposite ..you are a funny man
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
People who are saved and have everlasting life via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 receive the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit and know they’re going to heaven before they die.
Originally posted by @romans1009Via John?? What the hell is that
I provided this verse to you before. You don’t remember?
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
People who are saved and have everlasting life via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 receive the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit and know they’re going to heaven before they die.
People are saved by faith.
People inherit the kingdom of God if and only if they live righteously.
Read Pauls letter to the Ephesians.
Saved is not eternal life
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Originally posted by @apathistDo you think that to rise from the dead is a sign of weakness?
Your god is so weak, he can't speak. This fact should make you think.
God has both spoken and is strong.
However He does not bludgeon you each morning with a sledgehammer to pound you into believing. Niether does he write in the stars across the universe each night Oh apathist! Here I am, it me God!!
God quietly allows you each day to consider His words in the Bible. He still alots you many days of happiness to pursue your interests, He still blesses you with many things you need.
When adverse things do happen to you (as they must to everyone) He hopes you'll turn your heart towards Him.
Because God does not bludgeon you with rude gestures so obvious to FORCE you to love Him, you exploit that greatness of His heart to indicate weakness.
And because judgment is not carried out immediately you are emboldened to continue to live in sin with no thought of the need for forgiveness and the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
"Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, therefore the hearts of the children of men is fully set within them to do evil." (Ecclesiastes 8:11)
You should consider just how much God's patience and forbearance is being taken advantage of by you in the hardening more of your heart against Jesus Christ the Savior.
Originally posted by @sonshipIf there is no "FORCE" involved, what then is the purpose of the threat - according to your theology - of being tortured in fire for eternity for being a non-Christian?
Because God does not bludgeon you with rude gestures so obvious to FORCE you to love Him, you exploit that greatness of His heart to indicate weakness.
Originally posted by @fmfThere has to be some dispensation for souls. God cannot have sin in heaven (I suppose “unforgiven sin” is more accurate.) If an eternity in hell and not annihilationism await the damned, you are making a conscious choice to go there by refusing God’s gift of salvation via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.
If there is no "FORCE" involved, what then is the purpose of the threat - according to your theology - of being tortured in fire for eternity for being a non-Christian?
Don’t blame God for your pride, stubbornness and choices. He has told you the consequence of your decision. You have chosen to ignore it. That’s on you.