I took mostly the counter-view (arguing that such a historical personage likely did exist), but had to recognize Palynka’s point that perhaps we (and even scholars with no particular religious axe to grind) erroneously assume a greater likelihood for the conventional view simply because it is the conventional view. I do not think that the “12 Myths” on the site that you offered are as decisive as the writer seems to think; nor did I think that the “midrashic” argument in the materials that Palynka cited are decisive. I think the question remains open.
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I took mostly the counter-view (arguing that such a historical personage likely did exist), but had to recognize Palynka’s point that perhaps we (and even scholars with no p ...[text shortened]... ” argument in the materials that Palynka cited are decisive. I think the question remains open.
We can start with say George Washington. Did the GW who chopped down the cherry tree and then said "I cannot tell a lie" exist? Does the written biography of any person accurately match the person supposedly depicted? It's not likely.
So why bother with that? Take the important facts of the person's existence, and leave the rest aside. In the case of most people, there are few if any facts that are important except perhaps to a few who are affected. Clearly, there are people who think there are universally and infinitely important facts about Jesus. Leave it to these people to make their point about these facts, and let the other supposed facts be what they are.
Originally posted by JS357 We can start with say George Washington. Did the GW who chopped down the cherry tree and then said "I cannot tell a lie" exist? Does the written biography of any person accurately match the person supposedly depicted? It's not likely.
So why bother with that? Take the important facts of the person's existence, and leave the rest aside. In the case of most p ...[text shortened]... le to make their point about these facts, and let the other supposed facts be what they are.
We can start with say George Washington. Did the GW who chopped down the cherry tree and then said "I cannot tell a lie" exist? Does the written biography of any person accurately match the person supposedly depicted? It's not likely.
Yeah, that was part of my argument on the other thread: a story (or myth or midrash) can include some facts, without it being a wholly (or even mostly) factual account. By the same token, one cannot assume that because a story is partly (or even mostly) mythological, that there can be no factual content at all. Story, myth and midrash are really literary terms: “this is the type of literature this is . . . “. History is something else. But there seem to be mixed forms, and then—as in your GW example—the exegetical task is to separate the different elements, insofar as possible.
Originally posted by vistesd [b]We can start with say George Washington. Did the GW who chopped down the cherry tree and then said "I cannot tell a lie" exist? Does the written biography of any person accurately match the person supposedly depicted? It's not likely.
Yeah, that was part of my argument on the other thread: a story (or myth or midrash) can include some facts, witho ...[text shortened]... the different elements, insofar as possible.
How are you doing, by the way? Well, I hope.[/b]
Thanks for asking. After being poked and prodded every which way, I am certified to be of sound body. The mind has always been suspect. 🙂
Originally posted by JS357 Thanks for asking. After being poked and prodded every which way, I am certified to be of sound body. The mind has always been suspect. 🙂
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Check out the 12 Mythology stories of Jesus scroll down a bit on the main page!
the forums are kinda dead
nothing i haven't seen before, when it comes to "activism"
whatever that means lol
i recall the old AN trying to do some sort of "atheist activism"
which i thought, at the time, "good for them" but it never really launched
I took mostly the counter-view (arguing that such a historical personage likely did exist), but had to recognize Palynka’s point that perhaps we (and even scholars with no p ...[text shortened]... ” argument in the materials that Palynka cited are decisive. I think the question remains open.
Killjoy. Can't you let athiests have their fun? 😛
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