1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    02 Dec '11 20:11
    I thought Karoly's posts were getting off topic ...

    Firstly, as I have pointed out, there has been much misinfo and disinfo, which will throw off a lot of people ,but to top it all, the "aliens" had technology to skip through time. So they could alter facts to suit their agenda.
    Now there is no way that the common person in the street could possibly contend with that. Or so they thought.
    It seems they could go back in time to hundreds of thousands of years, BC, but only up until about 2030 or so into the future.
    Some "higher forces" had put a barrier there and this drove them nuts.

    Seems that the grey aliens had lost the love aspect of their conciousness long ago. They were like just all left brain. so they came here to try to get some "help" from humans, but basically it was like a 65 yr old intelligent man raping a 14 yr old naive young girl. We had no chance.

    Now we are in this predicament: the grey aliens aren't all bad, in fact there are 3 distinct kinds.
    1 (or 2) of these kinds will share our future together with us.
    They will teach us their "way more advanced " technologies, etc. and we will teach them how to love again. (This is the super-simplified version of this story)
    Yes, it is a story that we will share in the future

    But We have the key. Our naivety is actually an advantage in being able to access our higher consiousensses.
    Remember that all of this is about turning inward and not outward, as we have naively been doing, and as the grey aliens have done for ages.

    It all comes back to basic things. The truth is simple, simple to tell-difficult to practice. In fact it is not difficult, it is "tricky".
    I know I contradict myself, but you have to follow the spirit of my points to get anything from them.
    The first point here is "Turning Inward" to find the truth, and not outward, as many have tried and failed to do in the past.

    Questions?
  2. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    02 Dec '11 21:322 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I thought Karoly's posts were getting off topic ...

    [b]Firstly, as I have pointed out, there has been much misinfo and disinfo, which will throw off a lot of people ,but to top it all, the "aliens" had technology to skip through time. So they could alter facts to suit their agenda.
    Now there is no way that the common person in the street could possib d not outward, as many have tried and failed to do in the past.

    Questions?
    [/b]
    Thnx wolfgang.

    Actually I'm not much of an expert on grey aliens at all.
    I am much more connected with the Pliediens. (however you spell it)

    I was asked if I believe this stuff. I ask: does any believe that they are right here right now reading this? IE. I am questioning the whole premise of a physical reality.

    If any of you noted, I said I was telling a story. In this way it doesn't have such well-defined edges as truth claims and ideas can be "ping ponged" back and forth more easily.

    Thing is everytime we think about what the truth of anything is, what we are actually doing is making up a story.
    Put another way, (from the film "A Waking Life" ), when you look at a picture of yourself from say 10 years ago, you have to make up a story to link that person in the picture with the person now looking at it. The thing is our cells have renewed themselves so many times since then. They are not the same atoms that made up the person in the picture. Yet we remain quintessentially ourselves ...
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    03 Dec '11 00:23
    uhh what?
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    03 Dec '11 01:44
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    uhh what?
    He says since you don't have all the same cells making up you body as you
    did 10 years ago, then you are a different person. True or false?
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    03 Dec '11 01:501 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    He says since you don't have all the same cells making up you body as you
    did 10 years ago, then you are a different person. True or false?
    Not sure that was what he was responding to but hey.

    It's sorta true...

    the cells that make up your body do die and get replaced with new ones, with differing
    rates for different organs.
    It's when the process goes wrong that you get cancer.

    As for whether this means in 10 yrs your a completely different person...
    depends what your talking about.
    I would say yes, but not because your made of different atoms than when you started.
    But because you have another 10 yrs of memories and experiences shaping you.
    So the while there is no discontinuity between the you of 10 yrs ago and the you now,
    you are no longer, in a very real way, the same person you were then.

    EDIT: But this is a personal view, that not everyone will agree with.
  6. Standard membersumydid
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    03 Dec '11 03:031 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I thought Karoly's posts were getting off topic ...

    [b]Firstly, as I have pointed out, there has been much misinfo and disinfo, which will throw off a lot of people ,but to top it all, the "aliens" had technology to skip through time. So they could alter facts to suit their agenda.
    Now there is no way that the common person in the street could possib d not outward, as many have tried and failed to do in the past.

    Questions?
    [/b]
    Nope. No questions. I can say that though I stopped studying the subject about 10 years ago -- your personal version of the truth is not the prevailing one among your ilk. Amusing how you throw it out there as though you know it as a fact. That helps me understand you better so thanks anyway.

    Here is one I used to think about an awful lot: What if we are the greys... coming back through time to visit ourselves and change our history to save our race. Interesting that about 11 years ago when I was sure I had stumbled upon something significant, it hadn't seemed to have ocurred to anyone else.
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    03 Dec '11 03:14
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Nope. No questions. I can say that though I stopped studying the subject about 10 years ago -- your personal version of the truth is not the prevailing one among your ilk. Amusing how you throw it out there as though you know it as a fact. That helps me understand you better so thanks anyway.

    Here is one I used to think about an awful lot: What if [i ...[text shortened]... ure I had stumbled upon something significant, it hadn't seemed to have ocurred to anyone else.
    It had occurred to me.

    Unfortunately, I dont know what my ilk is like as I no of no one either here or in real life that believe anything near what I believe.

    I could say it amazes me that christians believe what they believe, but I know better and understand that there are many differing views out there.

    Ultimately the message isn't that aliens are going to save us- we must save ourselves. They are only here to assist and guide and only to those who ask.

    I thought that this thread would fall flat on it's a$$ as I've tried to communicate some of these ideas before without much luck.

    Like I have said before, I am finding my piece of the jigsaw. It is different to other peoples pieces but somewhere it has to fit.

    Neither science nor religion has convinced people en masse that their way is correct.
    I believe we need a combination of both, or put differently, we need a gestalt, wholistic approach to life to have any success in finding any convincing answers.

    I am happy with myself, with my answers. Things may change, and I have been wrong about some stuff in the past and have rectified my thinking accordingly.

    There are many reasons why I choose to believe what I believe,not just one book or one experience.
    Actually, I am more "alien" than human in a lot of ways.

    But if people aren't interested in talking about it, then I am certainly not going to go on about it
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