Originally posted by @rajk999
I read the whole of John and got these passages where Jesus spoke of keeping this commandments and eternal life.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: [b]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63 KJV)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that ...[text shortened]... e; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)[/b]
<<It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63 KJV)>>
How does this verse endorse a works-based salvation? Jesus says, “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:” Works are done in the flesh.
<<Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12 KJV)>>
And how does this verse endorse a works-based salvation? Are you suggesting that everyone who does good works is following Jesus?
<<Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32 KJV)>>
Just a few verses earlier, this is what Jesus said to the Jews:
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
(John 8:24)
<<Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. (John 8:51 KJV)>>
See above. And this also:
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.“
(John 6:38-40)
<<My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29 KJV)>>
Beautiful verses, but how you think these verses endorse a works-based salvation is beyond me.
<<Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
(John 15:14 KJV)>>
This begs the question of *how* one keeps Christ’s commands. Jesus answers this earlier in the chapter:
“Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.”
(John 15:4-5)
What I’ve been saying all along - first believe in and accept Christ into your heart. Then, the good works follow.
<<Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. (John 18:37 KJV)>>
How does this verse endorse a works-based salvation? It doesn’t.
<<He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21 KJV)>>
Look in the beginning of this chapter for what Jesus’ commandments are:
“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.”
(John 14:1)
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.“
(John 14:10-12)
<<Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (John 14:23-24 KJV)>>
What are His commands? What are His sayings? Do you just ignore all the times He says to believe on Him and that without abiding in Him (i.e. accepting Him) you can do nothing?
<<If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. (John 15:6-7 KJV)>>
Abiding in Christ, in my view, is the same as accepting Christ into one’s heart. And if one has not accepted Christ into his or her heart, the part of the verse that speaks to being cast into the fire is the end result.
<<If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)>>
This again goes back to what Jesus’ commandments are - Believe on Him, abide in Him. In other words, believe He is the Son of God and accept Him into your heart.