If you are happy that Jesus was crucified to forgive your sins (or for any other reason), you have not given the matter serious thought. Had you been there when Jesus was crucified, would you have done everything you could to prevent it, or would you have gone along with it to be forgiven for your sins so you could go to heaven?
Happy about it, grateful for it, probably would have done everything I could to prevent it at the time, not knowing what we know now. Good thing I wasn't around to stop it.
Originally posted by 667joe If you are happy that Jesus was crucified to forgive your sins (or for any other reason), you have not given the matter serious thought. Had you been there when Jesus was crucified, would you have done everything you could to prevent it, or would you have gone along with it to be forgiven for your sins so you could go to heaven?
If God decided that Jesus was to die in the fashion that He did, nobody could prevent it.
Originally posted by chaney3 Sober evening, thank you.
Back to the topic, if you believed in God, do you think it's possible to prevent something He has decided needed to happen?
Yes. But the will of "god" is usually the best way... and It wills us to take control more, get along with each other more, stop hating on others. Do that and you wont need to go outside Her will.
But please, that beer? Your are subservient after all are you not?
Originally posted by karoly aczel Yes. But the will of "god" is usually the best way... and It wills us to take control more, get along with each other more, stop hating on others. Do that and you wont need to go outside Her will.
But please, that beer? Your are subservient after all are you not?
Ah yeah...
I also referred to her as "It".
I don't believe in any version of god as expressed by any Christian ideology. And in my version "It" is certainly not separate from the rest of creation in any way (even the bad bits)
Originally posted by karoly aczel "nobody could prevent"
Oh that's right , you Christians are all meek and weak and follow whatever "godidit" argument going around without question.
Joe brings out another curiosity and inconsistency about Christianity
The Roman state was highly militaristic. If there was serious protest or people trying to stop it, they would have ended up right there with him and what would that serve? They were never gonna just let Jesus "walk".
Originally posted by 667joe If you are happy that Jesus was crucified to forgive your sins (or for any other reason), you have not given the matter serious thought. Had you been there when Jesus was crucified, would you have done everything you could to prevent it, or would you have gone along with it to be forgiven for your sins so you could go to heaven?
It's interesting that you never let not understanding something get in the way of your efforts to bad-mouth it.
Originally posted by 667joe If you are happy that Jesus was crucified to forgive your sins (or for any other reason), you have not given the matter serious thought. Had you been there when Jesus was crucified, would you have done everything you could to prevent it, or would you have gone along with it to be forgiven for your sins so you could go to heaven?
I'd have thought that a walking talking demi-god could school the damn romans. Instead, his followers were forced to use subterfuge and, um, fake news.
Originally posted by Suzianne The Roman state was highly militaristic. If there was serious protest or people trying to stop it, they would have ended up right there with him and what would that serve? They were never gonna just let Jesus "walk".
Yet when he was turning up the money changers tables the guards did nothing. A chance for a real revolution missed?