Originally posted by FMFand yet irrespective of what meaning you, your Indonesian fellows or anyone else imputes to a crucifix, it is of pagan antiquity, this has been my argument all along and you could not even bring yourself to acknowledge the fact, despite being presented with evidence.
That's right. For you, the crucifix has "pagan symbolism". For Indonesian Christians, the crucifix has no "pagan symbolism". The symbols ~ their meanings ~ are different. This has been my argument all along.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe "pagan antiquity" meaning is for you, people like you and ~ presumably ~ "pagans" ~ and presumably dates back to "antiquity". This perception of yours and theirs has no impact (or significance) whatsoever on the reality of the crucifix's meaning for Indonesian Christians; there is no "pagan element" in the crucifix for Christians here. This has been my argument all along.
and yet irrespective of what meaning you, your Indonesian fellows or anyone else imputes to a crucifix, it is of pagan antiquity, this has been my argument all along and you could not even bring yourself to acknowledge the fact, despite being presented with evidence.
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Originally posted by FMFNo its is for anyone that is interested in truth and who is not content to douse their pagan relics with Holy water in order to imbue them with some other meaning. You can wash your pagan relics in all the Holy water you can, it does not change what they are.
The "pagan antiquity" meaning is for you, people like you and ~ presumably ~ "pagans" ~ and presumably dates back to "antiquity". This perception of yours and theirs has no impact (or significance) whatsoever on the reality of the crucifix's meaning for Indonesian Christians; there is no "pagan element" in the crucifix for Christians here. This has been my argument all along.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieTwo more repeats of your invented "holy water" thing in lieu of addressing the actual points I have made. Crucifixes are inanimate objects. They are not "pagan relics" for Christians in Indonesia.
No its is for anyone that is interested in truth and who is not content to douse their pagan relics with Holy water in order to imbue them with some other meaning. You can wash your pagan relics in all the Holy water you can, it does not change what they are.