Happy Thanksgiving y'all

Originally posted by KellyJay
🙂
Kelly

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours too Kelly! And God bless you mightily in Christ Jesus! 🙂

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
to be fair, the event is where a group of people where nice to another group of people. the latter would have starved to death otherwise.

we do not know if that particular group of europeans killed the natives who gave them food. so why do you associate one (of the few) nice interaction between europeans and natives with the following (not resulting) genocide?

Well It should be noted that (and tone on the internets is always hard) that
my op was more mild ribbing than serious.

However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated.

And if it is to have a meaning other than being an excuse to get together the
people you care about and enjoy each others company over good food...
and hey, that's one of the things I love best about the Christmas holidays, so
I'm all for that...
Then it probably should be remembered at this time that the Native Americans
WERE nearly wiped out, and were, and sometimes still are, persecuted and
disenfranchised.

And yes, 'thanksgiving' celebrations do go back a long way, and are not exclusive
to North America...

However history goes back way way further, and there are far more people who
don't celebrate it. And the most famous, and enthusiastic celebrants are the North
Americans.


And they have this history. Everyone has history they can be ashamed of, and
the big ticket items in the history of the USA are Slavery, and the persecution
of Native Americans.

http://www.leadershipethicsonline.com/2012/11/22/thanksgiving-moral-capacity/

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Oh its big, but the thing is, we don't need a special day to do it, we do it every day. 😀

I'm telling on you to your cult leaders that you celebrate!

Technically it is a secular holiday that is why the govt does it once a year. But that is good, if you did it every day then you might stop being truly greatful for your family.

Originally posted by RBHILL
I'm telling on you to your cult leaders that you celebrate!

Technically it is a secular holiday that is why the govt does it once a year. But that is good, if you did it every day then you might stop being truly greatful for your family.

The Watchtower Bible and tract society of Pennsylvania incorporated (peace be upon it) have always advocated eating together as a family, infact we go a step further and advocate a family worship evening!

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well It should be noted that (and tone on the internets is always hard) that
my op was more mild ribbing than serious.

However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated.

And if it is to have a meaning other than being an excuse to get together ...[text shortened]... g ticket items in the history of the USA are Slavery, and the persecution
of Native Americans.

However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated.
The insertion of the relationship established with the got-here-from-there-just-a-little-before-you-did-Native Americans was a secondary thought.

While the support the first settlers received was also a source of thankfulness, the celebration was fully formed long before the experience of that support.
Thanksgiving itself was merely a continuation of the practices long-exercised by both the Puritans and the Pilgrims from their home countries, regardless of the extensions they realized once they came here.

Everyone has history they can be ashamed of, and the big ticket items in the history of the USA are Slavery, and the persecution of Native Americans.
While I don't discount these atrocities as shameful, I consider the abuse of charter as far outstripping any and all of these other abuses.

Founded to be both a haven and beacon for religious freedomReveal Hidden Content we have instead become a bloated prostitute/host for every vice imaginable.
We don't broadcast spiritual freedom; we're much more suited for broadcasting porn.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated.
The insertion of the relationship established with the got-here-from-there-just-a-little-before-you-did-Native Americans was a secondary thought.

While the support the first settlers received ...[text shortened]... aginable.
We don't broadcast spiritual freedom; we're much more suited for broadcasting porn.[/b]

... with the got-here-from-there-just-a-little-before-you-did-Native Americans ....

Huh?

Originally posted by googlefudge

... with the got-here-from-there-just-a-little-before-you-did-Native Americans ....

Huh?

Where do you think the "Native" Americans came from?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Where do you think the "Native" Americans came from?

Asia. Sometime between 12 and 40 thousand years ago.

Compared with Europeans arriving post-Columbus from 500 years ago onwards.

Meaning that at the very lowest estimate they have been in America 24 times longer
than Europeans have...

Originally posted by googlefudge
Thanksgiving... Isn't that where Americans binge on turkeys a month too early to celebrate wiping out Native Americans?


Anyhow, I hope you enjoy yours.

Any excuse to have fun family time is a good excuse... I think...

I didn't realise Americans needed a reason to binge.

Originally posted by KellyJay
🙂
Kelly

Dont celebrate that down in the Caribbean, where everyday is a day to have fun and enjoy life. Have fun today anyhow 🙂

If you want something fun to do this evening,

Nasa is currently hosting a live google + hangout on comet ISON passing the sun.

YouTube

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy.html

Started 18:00 UTC

Originally posted by googlefudge
Asia. Sometime between 12 and 40 thousand years ago.

Compared with Europeans arriving post-Columbus from 500 years ago onwards.

Meaning that at the very lowest estimate they have been in America 24 times longer
than Europeans have...

So, as I said, they simply got there--- and survived--- prior to the folks currently there.

It's all the same under the skin.

Originally posted by googlefudge
If you want something fun to do this evening,

Nasa is currently hosting a live google + hangout on comet ISON passing the sun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q03I1B_yrPg

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy.html

Started 18:00 UTC

Good link, thanks.

Here's another one from a different perspective, showing the trajectory...

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well It should be noted that (and tone on the internets is always hard) that
my op was more mild ribbing than serious.

However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated.

And if it is to have a meaning other than being an excuse to get together ...[text shortened]... g ticket items in the history of the USA are Slavery, and the persecution
of Native Americans.

"However I would view it as ironic that a civilisation should hold an annual
celebration of having received help from a peoples they nearly exterminated."

i don't believe that their thanksgiving is about that. if it is, it would be outrageously shameless.

the correct thing to do though is to stop telling that story and to acknowledge what their ancestors did the the natives. indeed, the first impulse when being reminded of that is to instantly compare how some natives helped some strangers even if they didn't have to and how the americans genocided them afterwards even if they didn't have to.

hate to give a nazi analogy, but is anyone not cringing at a similar situation where, had the nazi succeeded in killing the jews, they would have a celebration day where they stuff their faces and tell their children the one time a bunch of jews were nice to some germans?