Originally posted by divegeester
Everyone calm down a bit, anyone would think this is about life and death.
Epovosun, e4chris and karoly axcel are squaring up for a who's the nicest but slightly weird member competition.
Jonneylongwoody has snorted some of RJHinds' meds and has his crucifix and stakes out ready to impale...well anyone who gets in his way actually.
Grampy bobby, ...[text shortened]... you all...ignorant losers" forum fast any minute.
Any they say it's boring in here...
As for me, I try to present the person that I am in real life here in cyberspace. I feel this is necessary if we are to communicate anything of any real significance here on this forum.
To me spirituality has always meant that one is at peace with their own conscience. This means being truthful/honest which includes honestly considering all criticisms of ones pov. I felt that I have tried to answer all relevant questions truthfully and to the best of my ability.
I do understand that we are all different, but at the same time, we also have some things that are the same. Other than truthfulness there is originality and creative expression that is another common factor between all Zen masters. ( When I say "Zen masters", I mean "Spiritual people" who are in and of themselves their own authority. Note that they are only master of themselves and nothing or no one else. If some choose to follow them and submit to their authority, it is totally on the follower and not the master. )
On first viewing there seems to be hardly anything that Zen masters have in common. It is only after careful study that one can see deeper underlying patterns of behaviour with these amazing people. After all one common Zen saying is "copying is death". So one must come up with their own answers for koans, one cannot cheat and get the other guys answers.
Yes I can see why you would label me as "slightly weird" , but given the world we live and what has traditionally been considered "normal" , I would say that the rest of the world is weird in that normalness is based only on material considerations. "Loving your neighbour" , let alone "loving your enemies" is oft repeated within Christian circles, but rarely does it get beyond a good idea and actually established in practice.
The fact that someone like me can be born into this world and allowed to pursue my spiritual interests without being physically punished for it, as say the guys in "Easy Rider" were at the end of that film is extremely exciting and potentially revolutionary for the whole world.
i am no Zen master yet, however once an individual passes the point of "liberation" there is no falling back below that point for the individual as "liberation" refers to ones understanding of their own physical mortality.
This understanding is based on the meaning of the original Indian board game "Snakes and ladders" where each square represents a certain spiritual truth that must be learned by the player before advancing to the next square. "Liberation" comes at around square 90, the top row, which once attained cannot be forgotten by the adept. 100 represents "enlightenment" , which is extremely difficult to attain , but which is the driving force behind all proper orientations of individual divinations.
Have we just gone up a gear...?
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