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Originally posted by mikelomIt is very late here. So I'm going to bed.
Sorry! 😳
I just got up.
Did I miss something?
-m.
Read the posts and pick up where I left off.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe "lie" is that Jesus didn't rise from the dead.
How many times must you bring up that lie? (I call it a lie, not an error on your part because I am fairly sure I have discussed this with you in the past).
Originally posted by RJHindsSo it remains a lie that 'Over 500 witnesses during that time say otherwise'. We don't have even one single direct witness statement.
The Holy Bible does report some of the things people said and did when they saw
the risen Christ however, but not all those five hundred people.
Originally posted by whodeyHave you seen his body? Over 500 witnesses during that time say otherwise.
Have you seen his body? Over 500 witnesses during that time say otherwise.
I think most historians would agree with the following: 1. Jesus lived 2. He was crucified and buried in a tomb. 3. He was discovered missing. After all, both Jewish and Roman traditions admit to an empty tomb. These resources range from Josephus to a compilation of 5th centur ...[text shortened]... a we have witnesses before, during, and after the coming of one Jesus Chrsit!! 😀
Originally posted by josephwYou deny Gandalf...who's the liar now eh?
The [b]"lie" is that Jesus didn't rise from the dead.
You lie to yourself because you don't know the truth. When you deny the resurrection, without knowing whether it's true or not, you do so as an act of faith.[/b]
Originally posted by josephwIn what form?
Jesus lives!
Originally posted by twhiteheadhttp://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.cviii.html
Again, a lie.
Please quote a hostile source from the time that admits to an empty tomb.
Remember that a source stating what Christians believe does not count.
Originally posted by whodeyAs I said, all you have is reports of what the early Christians believed, and in this case, what other people believed about the early Christians.
"His disciples stole him by night from the tomb, where he was laid when unfastened from the cross, and now decieve men by asserting that he has arisen from the dead and ascended to heaven."
Originally posted by AgergHow many of the witnesses of the Pelennor fields gave their lives for their testimony? As for the witnesses of the resurrection of Christ, we know of 12 ready and willing to die for thier testimony.
[b]Have you seen his body? Over 500 witnesses during that time say otherwise.
Damn I wish I had the holy texts to hand but I lent them out; anyhow I can't give you a precise figure but back when middle earth existed (before Gandalf magicked it away) there were a lot more than 500 witnesses on the Pelennor fields to witness Éowyn kill the Witch-king of An friends, their friends, and their dogs owe their entire existence to her bravery that day! 😕[/b]
Originally posted by twhiteheadIn Matthew 27 we see that gaurds were placed at the tomb for this very reason. Of course, you could care less what the scriptures say, so what do you care?
As I said, all you have is reports of what the early Christians believed, and in this case, what other people believed about the early Christians.
In other words you are dishonestly trying to claim this source supports your claim when in reality it only supports the claim that early Christians believed in an empty tomb (which is not disputed by me, and p ...[text shortened]... am not even sure if he told his followers that in so many words. Can you give me the verse?