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@secondson saidPlease provide evidence that he was there (outside of him saying he was).
John was there and he said "I saw" 36 times in the book of Revelation.
John literally saw things that are real, that will literally happen. John saw literal people, angels, places and a host of literally real things.
John was there, but you weren't.
Please also provide evidence that he saw what he said he saw.
@secondson saidGood grief; I get so tired of this literalist nonsense by American Christians.
John was there and he said "I saw" 36 times in the book of Revelation.
John literally saw things that are real, that will literally happen. John saw literal people, angels, places and a host of literally real things.
John was there, but you weren't.
30 Jan 20
@secondson saidOh well.
John was there and he said "I saw" 36 times in the book of Revelation.
John literally saw things that are real, that will literally happen. John saw literal people, angels, places and a host of literally real things.
John was there, but you weren't.
I've been a lot of places that he never got to see, so I guess it evens out.
30 Jan 20
@divegeester saidIs your God a literal God, or a hypothetical God?
Good grief; I get so tired of this literalist nonsense by American Christians.
30 Jan 20
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@suzianne saidLiteral.
Is your God a literal God, or a hypothetical God?
Your turn...
Do you believe that the multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore, and as was “seen” by John, is literal?
30 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat's silly. Provide evidence to the contrary.
Please provide evidence that he was there (outside of him saying he was).
Please also provide evidence that he saw what he said he saw.
John was eye witness to the ministry of Jesus Christ. Saw Jesus die on the cross, and saw Him alive again afterwards, along with hundreds of others.
So without evidence that you will accept John is just lying?
30 Jan 20
@bigdoggproblem saidThat's an irrelevant point.
Oh well.
I've been a lot of places that he never got to see, so I guess it evens out.
30 Jan 20
@divegeester saidAnd I get tired of wishy-washy claim to be Christians that say Revelation is all metaphorical, but offer nothing about what it means.
Good grief; I get so tired of this literalist nonsense by American Christians.
@divegeester saidYour argument is without merit because everyone knows it's symbolic, but of what is the question.
Literal.
Your turn...
Do you believe that the multiheaded beast being ridden by the whore, and as was “seen” by John, is literal?
The "multiheaded beast" is symbolic of something literal and real, and that's where you hit the wall. So, since you can't understand it, you become demeaning towards others.
30 Jan 20
@secondson saidSo your OP claiming that John saw literal things is actually saying he saw symbolic things?
Your argument is without merit because everyone knows it's symbolic, but of what is the question.
The "multiheaded beast" is symbolic of something literal and real, and that's where you hit the wall. So, since you can't understand it, you become demeaning towards others.
30 Jan 20
@secondson saidThe onus is not on me to state what all the symbolism means, but I know that multiheaded beasts and cavernous hell-holes were billions of non Christians will be burnt alive by Jesus is not literal.
And I get tired of wishy-washy claim to be Christians that say Revelation is all metaphorical, but offer nothing about what it means.
30 Jan 20
@divegeester saidGood question actually. The literal things John saw were recorded in symbolic imagery.
So your OP claiming that John saw literal things is actually saying he saw symbolic things?
The question you now need to ask yourself now is why and of what.
30 Jan 20
@divegeester saidThe multiheaded beast is symbolic of something literal, as is the lake of fire.
The onus is not on me to state what all the symbolism means, but I know that multiheaded beasts and cavernous hell-holes were billions of non Christians will be burnt alive by Jesus is not literal.
30 Jan 20
@secondson saidJohn saw literal things but they were symbolic?
Good question actually. The literal things John saw were recorded in symbolic imagery.