He Was There

@fmf said
Alas, the Biblical canon is closed.

Mormons certainly didn't let that stop them, so neither should I.

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Symbolic for what?

In Matthew 25:34 Jesus said, "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"
And then in verse 41 Jesus said, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

In both cases something was "prepared".

Are you going to say that the "kingdom" is also just "symbolic"?

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Moronic.

John "saw" "real things", and recorded them in symbolic language for a reason.

Everyone knows that. Except you apparently. Thick.

@secondson said
And then in verse 41 Jesus said, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Do you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is literal and real, or do you believe it symbolizes something else that is not literal and real fire?

@fmf said
Do you believe the "everlasting fire" mentioned in the verse you quoted is literal and real, or do you believe it symbolizes something else that is not literal and real fire?

The word "aiōnios" occurs 71 times in 69 verses in the scriptures of the New Testament. It is translated into English as: eternal (42x), everlasting (25x), the world began (2x), since the world began (1x), for ever (1x).

It literally means "without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be".

The word "pyr" occurs 74 times in 73 verses in the scriptures of the New Testament. It is translated into English as: fire (73x), fiery (1x).

The word "pyr" is a primary word; "fire" (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning).

The English word "fire" occurs from Matthew 3:10 to Revelation 21:8. You can decide for yourself where it is used literally or figuratively. It depends on context.

So let's refer to the specific verses where the Greek word "pyr", translated as "fire", is used in conjunction with the Greek word "aiōnios".

Matthew 18:8 ~ everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:41 ~ everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:46 ~ everlasting punishment.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 ~ punished with everlasting destruction.
Mark 3:29 ~ eternal damnation.
Hebrews 6:2 ~ eternal judgment.
Jude 1:7 ~ eternal fire.

In the context of each of the above verses, and more besides, "aiōnios" and "pyr" are very much real and literal, just as is "judgment", "damnation", "destruction" and "punishment".

"Heaven" is real and literal. "Eternal life" is real and literal. The "kingdom of God" is real and literal. "Hell" is real and literal.

Anyone that argues that the Bible doesn't teach those things, is not real and literally does not understand the scriptures.

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It's not a wonder, especially when alleged Christians like you mock God's Word while yoked with unbelievers.

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@divegeester said

IT IS A REAL VISION OF A NON-REAL THING.

THAT is "utterly stupid", and you said it.

@secondson said

@divegeester said

IT IS A REAL VISION OF A NON-REAL THING.

THAT is "utterly stupid", and you said it.

I actually agree with him here, it is a real vision, if it is of a real or non-real thing doesn't matter it is what he saw in the vision.

@kellyjay said
I actually agree with him here, it is a real vision, if it is of a real or non-real thing doesn't matter it is what he saw in the vision.

Read the text kelly. It wasn't a "vision".