@fmf saidNo, faith is simply faith; what we place it in can be different, but the act itself is consistent when applying it to unknowable things with certainty.
Religious faith is something different from knowledge of gravity or how to sail a ship safely in windy weather. You going on and on about the fact that the word "faith" CAN mean something other than religious faith, when we are talking about religious faith, is borderline sophistry on your part.
@kellyjay saidYour religious "faith" is pure superstition. That religious faith is the faith I am talking about when I discuss faith with you. I am not superstitious. Unlike you, I do not believe in magic. It ought to be beneath you to be deploying the Play With The Synonym rhetorical gimmick like this.
No, faith is simply faith; what we place it in can be different, but the act itself is consistent when applying it to unknowable things with certainty.
@kellyjay saidThe fact that we all die is not an "unknowable thing". It is not some kind of article of "faith" on my part.
No, faith is simply faith; what we place it in can be different, but the act itself is consistent when applying it to unknowable things with certainty.
And to suggest that knowing the "knowable thing" [that we all die] is no different from your faith in, say, "The Doctrine of Atonement", because you want to blur the conversation about the superstitious underpinning of your claims about reality, is mere wordplay, KellyKay.
Your faith in, say, "The Doctrine of Atonement" does not mean that me not believing this doctrine [that appeals to your imagination] is my "faith".
@fmf saidYou can call it pure superstition; it doesn't matter; the only thing that does matter is if it is true? You can belittle my faith, and it does nothing towards one point or another, maybe outside of giving you a little happiness at my expense.
Your religious "faith" is pure superstition. That religious faith is the faith I am talking about when I discuss faith with you. I am not superstitious. Unlike you, I do not believe in magic. It ought to be beneath you to be deploying the Play With The Synonym rhetorical gimmick like this.
@kellyjay saidWhat you claim is "true" in these matters are things that you cannot demonstrate to be true.
You can call it pure superstition; it doesn't matter; the only thing that does matter is if it is true?
Your future immortality, for instance. Me burning in "Hell" for eternity after I die, for instance. A talking snake, for instance.
All these types of so-called "truths" are articles of your faith - your religious faith. The fact that we all die is not an article of faith for me or for you.
