28 Jul 19
@mister-moggy removed their quoted postIf the Abrahamic god even exists then he has been on a 2000 year holiday.
@mister-moggy removed their quoted postHe's really not absent at all. I'm posting a link if you are interested in the answer to this. I would just paste it but a few here jump on me if I do that, so sorry about a link.
Yes we as humans have suffered for thousands of years, all of us. It seems unfair that if there is a God that loves us, why doesn't he do something now? But God has the foresight to want to finally fix things the right way and to do it only once. He never wants any of us to suffer again so he does not want to do this hastily and have to do the needed corrections again.
It's like a city that has gone bad on every level and someone wants to rebuild it back to it's original beauty. But without the right planning and foresight it might backfire and then go to ruin again. Certain steps have to be taken to keep it from ruin ever again.
Anyway check out the link and especially the scriptures. Let me know what you think.....
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20070915/Why-Wickedness-Continues/
29 Jul 19
By the internal logic of Christianity, all things are eventually accounted for, correct?
Thus, constant intercession in world affairs as we visibly see it is not something that we should expect.
However, it can also be said that I tend to believe in a sort of occasionalism -- God does interfere with reality, but His hand in things is not always knowable.
@philokalia saidWhen a 12 year old boy gets kidnapped, anally raped, murdered, then dumped in a swamp, God is absent.
By the internal logic of Christianity, all things are eventually accounted for, correct?
Thus, constant intercession in world affairs as we visibly see it is not something that we should expect.
However, it can also be said that I tend to believe in a sort of occasionalism -- God does interfere with reality, but His hand in things is not always knowable.
29 Jul 19
@chaney3 saidIf you are talking here about the Christian God figure, what do you think - according to the religious scriptures - God has promised explicitly vis a vis people like the 12-year-old boys in your scenario? I think you are trying to get Christians to answer for a lack of intervention when no such intervention has been promised.
When a 12 year old boy gets kidnapped, anally raped, murdered, then dumped in a swamp, God is absent.
@fmf saidGod supposedly cares about humans.
If you are talking here about the Christian God figure, what do you think - according to the religious scriptures - God has promised explicitly vis a vis people like the 12-year-old boys in your scenario? I think you are trying to get Christians to answer for a lack of intervention when no such intervention has been promised.
Real life contradicts this sentiment.
29 Jul 19
@chaney3 saidI have asked you a question that goes to the very heart of your apparent objection. Maybe my perspective - in so far as it may be affected by my perspective as a former Christian - can help you examine what you are purporting to want to examine.
Sorry, but you sound terribly fake, as a former Christian.
29 Jul 19
@chaney3 saidAs I understand it, the Abrahamic God offers everlasting life to those that fulfil certain conditions during the finite "real life" that each of the three religions' adherents experiences. Isn't that offer of everlasting life an indication that the "God" you are referring to "cares about humans"?
God supposedly cares about humans.
Real life contradicts this sentiment.
@fmf saidIf God is okay with human torment and suffering while we live on earth, then He's not much of a god.
As I understand it, the Abrahamic God offers everlasting life to those that fulfil certain conditions during the finite "real life" that each of the three religions' adherents experiences. Isn't that offer of everlasting life an indication that the "God" you are referring to "cares about humans"?