Originally posted by Rajk999
I don't think everything necessary has been gone over in Hebrews 10.
Then you add this about Peter's epistle:
Here is what Peter said :
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:20-21 KJV)
These are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE RETURNED TO THE VOMIT OF WORLINESS AND SIN.
It was better if they had not known Christ in the first place ... a terrible condemnation.
I agree that what is described is a awful and dreadful backsliding.
Does it mean that a Christians can lose the gifts of eternal life?
To answer this we could look to the example of such a Christian who severely backslid.
Look to First Corithians
"It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication that does even occur among the Gentiles, that someone has his stepmother." (1 Cor. 5:1)
Compare the situation of this participant in the church in Corinth with what Peter describes in Second Peter. Please first answer these few questions:
1.) Would you say that this Christian brother went "after the flesh in the lust of defilement"]
(Comp. 2 Pet. 2:10) ? I would say so.
2.) Would you say he acted like an animal without reason - (2 Pet. 2:12) ? I would say he pretty much did.
3.) Would you say that Corinthian Christian had something like "eyes full of adultery - not ceasing from sin"
? (Comp. 2 Pet. 2:14).
I would say something like that was going on in this Christian's life.
4.) Was he a slave of corruption ? (Comp. 2 Pet. 2:19). Yes.
5.) I think this Christian fits many of the descriptions of a sinful man that Peter lists in Second Peter 2:10-22
. Without a doubt this backslidden one from Corinth -
was defiled, despised lordship, was daring, (v.10);
did not cease from sin, had a heart exercised in covetousness,unstable (v.14);
lived in error (v.18);
in his Christian testimony (v.19);
went back into the defilement of the world most likely (v.20);
had the knowledge of Jesus Christ (v.20);
may have become a more sinful person than before he was a Christian (v.20);
had a last state that was worse probably than when he first became a believer participating in the Corinthian church (v.21).
Many of the horrible descriptions Peter mentions do fit this one of whom Paul wrote:
" And have you not rather mourned, that the one who has done this deed might be REMOVED from your midst ? (1 Cor. 5:2)
For I ... have already judged, as if being present him, who has thus done this.
.... To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of this flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." (v.5)
Notice that this defeated brother who has been overcome by sinful living after becoming a Christian, Paul says he will be severely discipined.
Notice that Paul does not refer to eternal perdition. He refers to destruction of part of his being so that another part of his being may be saved.
"In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you and my spirit have been assembled, with the power of our Lord Jesus.
To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, THAT ... his spirit may be saved .... in the day of the Lord." (v.4,5)
Now if you TWIST my words to make it look like I am teaching it is good for a Christian to backslide into immorality, you are not an honest interpreter of my writing.
Do not intentionally TWIST my words to malign my intention.
The point here is that both Peter and Paul can speak of severe
discipline (of some
kind) of a born again person short of eternal punishment.
Destruction - yet his spirit saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.