Originally posted by jaywill
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yes i can, i don't see how that you can infer that it means anything else, both Romans and Ecclesiastes, either you believe that scripture is inspired of god or you don't.
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You can believe what you think is right.
But for me, though I don't particularly l ist or loving that people be tormented.
You're being clocked and timed.[/b]
I promise to get back to you on all these issues, at present i feel like the German army in Russia, fighting on all fronts, but for the meantime, how can you state that such is the case when quite clearly people who have died have paid the price of their sin, death is the ultimate price, not punishment! it does not state that the wages of sin is eternal punishment, does it, it simply states that the wages, i.e, the effects of sin are punishment, no, but simply death.
and Samuel was simply an apparition, conjured by a spiritual medium, nothing more, that the dead are clearly in a state of unconsciousness is not only biblical and based firmly on scripture but was alluded to by Christ when he resurrected Lazarus, what did he state, that Lazarus was, being tormented ?, in heaven ?, no none of these, that he was simply sleeping. the whole argument that somehow something survives death, a soul, call it whatever you like is satanic, what did Satan state when addressing Eve, 'you positively will not die', in other words you will live on forever, what actually happened ?, they died and went where?, to eternal punishment, no! to the dust from which they were created, its quite clear and easy to grasp.
the scriptures in revelation that you sited need some research on my part, but i will try to do this, and please do not become worried, i never get personal or offensive, or try to twist scriptures to suit a non existent prejudice or misconception, life's too short for that nonsence.!