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Originally posted by jaywillhehe, bring it on jaywill, we shall pour water of truth on the 'eternal fires of hell', and put them out, once and for all time!
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lol, why i did not mention the verses you mentioned, because what am i, a parrot?
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Obviously, I meant BEFORE I mentioned them, not after.
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actualy there was no need you had made reference to them already, the point was that it i andstanding manner, my approach would have not called for this kind of [b]focused rebuttal.[/b]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobert, would you please stop your vain giggling and boasting? You need a lot more substance and a little less theatrics.
hehe, bring it on jaywill, we shall pour water of truth on the 'eternal fires of hell', and put them out, once and for all time!
If you want to comment on what I just wrote go ahead.
Originally posted by jaywillim sorry jaywill there was nothing of substance to write home about! all you stated was that you are tring to sway others, then who am i to tell you differently, as for my disposition, i love to laugh and make some little fun, whats wrong with that? alas as the great solomon stated, all is vanity and a striving after the wind, but i forgot, you dont really rate the book of ecclesiastes very highly, how silly of me! never the less the words of the wise man wring true,
Robert, would you please stop your vain giggling and boasting? You need a lot more substance and a little less theatrics.
If you want to comment on what I just wrote go ahead.
'a time to laugh; a time to wail and a time to skip about; a time to throw stones away and a time to bring stones together; a time to embrace and a time to keep away from embracing; a time to seek and a time to give up as lost; a time to keep and a time to throw away; a time to rip apart and a time to sew together; a time to keep quiet and a time to speak; a time to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace.'
is it not so jaywill?
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im sorry jaywill there was nothing of substance to write home about! all you stated was that you are tring to sway others, then who am i to tell you differently, as for my disposition, i love to laugh and make some little fun, whats wrong with that? alas as the great solomon stated, all is vanity and a striving after the wind, but i forgot, you don ...[text shortened]... ime to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace.'
is it not so jaywill?
im sorry jaywill there was nothing of substance to write home about! all you stated was that you are tring to sway others, then who am i to tell you differently, as for my disposition, i love to laugh and make some little fun, whats wrong with that? alas as the great solomon stated, all is vanity and a striving after the wind, but i forgot, you dont really rate the book of ecclesiastes very highly, how silly of me! never the less the words of the wise man wring true,
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Okay. If you want a light style, I will play along. But it is kind of a serious subject to be frivolous about.
Now first things first, NOWHERE did I say I devalued the book of Ecclesiates. Please do not think I do not like Ecclesiastes simply because I find your use of it to put down New Testament revelation unacceptable.
I love the book of Ecclesiastes.
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'a time to laugh; a time to wail and a time to skip about; a time to throw stones away and a time to bring stones together; a time to embrace and a time to keep away from embracing; a time to seek and a time to give up as lost; a time to keep and a time to throw away; a time to rip apart and a time to sew together; a time to keep quiet and a time to speak; a time to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace.'
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Amen.
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is it not so jaywill?
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That's right. A time for every purpose under heaven.
Amen.
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jaywill i stated a thread below this about some preacher dude in America saying that president elect Obama was like Hitler, what i want to know is this type of thing common in the churches in America? obviously there must be some regional differences, but how can there be justification for preaching this type of thing, look at the congregation, they are almost in complete agreement, its not the manner in which it is done, but the content. is it common to have a political sermon in a church? this is said by way of gaining a kind of understanding on what goes on over there, this would never happen i don't think in Europe, there aren't enough good public speakers for one and second nobody would take it serious, and thirdly why are there no white dudes present? is worship in America segregated and polarized? what is happening over there, you gotta come clean and lay the readies on me jaywill. please be objective , i am not for once trying to undermine your reasoning, but i just want to know, for as far as i can see, America is a much much much more religious society than Europe! but much more segregated in other ways.
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jaywill i stated a thread below this about some preacher dude in America saying that president elect Obama was like Hitler, what i want to know is this type of thing common in the churches in America? obviously there must be some regional differences, but how can there be justification for preaching this type of thing, look at the congregation, they s a much much much more religious society than Europe! but much more segregated in other ways.
jaywill i stated a thread below this about some preacher dude in America saying that president elect Obama was like Hitler, what i want to know is this type of thing common in the churches in America?
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It is not common in the churches that I have fellowship with.
Some congregations are involved in politics.
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obviously there must be some regional differences, but how can there be justification for preaching this type of thing, look at the congregation, they are almost in complete agreement, its not the manner in which it is done, but the content. is it common to have a political sermon in a church?
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It is not common in the congregations that I gather with. We emphasize the ministry of Christ for the transformation of people to live Christ, express Christ and be built up in Christ's corporate expression.
I usually keep my personal politics out of the church life. But I am speaking for myself.
Oneness and unity should be the hallmarks of the church. I sought for oneness. I found unity and oneness and have remained to fellowship in this way.
And I have found this harmony and oneness participated in all five continents. Many of us long for the unity of the Spirit and seek that God would preserve us in unity.
http://www.localchurches.org/
Originally posted by jaywillwhat about segregation, kirksey states that the most segregated time in America is 11;00 am Sunday morning, can this be true?
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jaywill i stated a thread below this about some preacher dude in America saying that president elect Obama was like Hitler, what i want to know is this type of thing common in the churches in America?
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It is not common in the churches that I have fellowship with.
...[text shortened]... y of the Spirit and seek that God would preserve us in unity.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie.
what about segregation, kirksey states that the most segregated time in America is 11;00 am Sunday morning, can this be true?
In the Lord's day (ie. sunday) table meeting we have Chinese speaking, Korean speaking, Spanish speaking, English speaking together worshipping.
We have an Iranian couple and Ghananian couple. There are white and black participants. There are yellow participants.
and brown participants.
Even some denominations, though divisive, may have all colors present.
In the One New Man there cannot be Jew or Greek or Barbarian or Scythian or slave or free or male or female in terms of social status or rank as first classs, second class citizens. In the One New Man Christ is all and in all.
Our oneness is in Christ alone. This is what we look to the Lord Jesus to practice. And we taste it not by our own ecumenical power but by the grace of the Lord's Spirit.
www.localchurches.org
Check the map to see of there is a local church listed in this list in your own locality. Come and see.
Originally posted by jaywilli read the beliefs and agreed with the majority with the exception of the reference to the trinity, also of interest was the scripture in 2 peter i think which referred to the new heavens and new earth, what is your understanding of a new earth?
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In the Lord's day (ie. sunday) table meeting we have Chinese speaking, Korean speaking, Spanish speaking, English speaking together worshipping.
We have an Iranian couple and Ghananian couple. There are white and black participants. There are yellow participants.
and brown participants.
Even some denominations, though divisive, may have all ...[text shortened]... map to see of there is a local church listed in this list in your own locality. Come and see.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the elements, buring wuth intense heat, will be dissolved and the earth and the works in it will be burned up.
i read the beliefs and agreed with the majority with the exception of the reference to the trinity, also of interest was the scripture in 2 peter i think which referred to the new heavens and new earth, what is your understanding of a new earth?
Since all these things are to be thus dissolved, what kind of persons ourght you to be in holy manner of life and godliness, expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens, being on fire, will be dissolved, and the elements, burning with intense heat, are to be melted away. But according to His promise we are expecting new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."
I follow the notes in the Recovery Version of the Bible.
The footnote of the Recovery Version for 2 Peter 3:13 says:
" Refering to the coming day of God, which is for executing judgment upon every part of the old creation to clear it up. On account of the coming of such a day. the heavens will no longer be able to stand and remain as they have been, but will be dissolved, their elements melting away in the intense heat of the burning fire.
After all the material things are dissolved, God's promise as His everlasting word will still exist for His redeemed people to trust in and stand upon with the expectation of a new universe.
We should set our hope not on the visdible elements but on what the word of God promises for our destiny, that is, the new heavens and new earth, which have not yet come into our view.
The new heavens and new earth are the old heavns and old earth renewed and transformed through the burning of God's judging fire, just as the new man is our old man renewed and transformed (Col. 3:9-10; 2 Cor. 3:18) "
Originally posted by jaywillyes jaywill, thats fine but it is a little unclear whether you are refering to the literal heavens and the literal earth, or whether they are being used in a figurative sense to represent something else - regards Robert.
[b]"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the elements, buring wuth intense heat, will be dissolved and the earth and the works in it will be burned up.
Since all these things are to be thus dissolved, what kind of persons ourght you to be in holy manner of life and godliness, expecting and hast ...[text shortened]... as the new man is our old man renewed and transformed [b](Col. 3:9-10; 2 Cor. 3:18) "[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat else would you think it was refering to?
yes jaywill, thats fine but it is a little unclear whether you are refering to the literal heavens and the literal earth, or whether they are being used in a figurative sense to represent something else - regards Robert.
It seems pretty straight forward to me and confirmed by manyh other similar passages.
I take it literally. If God should use a super nova nearby to explode in order to do His work, it would incenerate everything on the earth.
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Originally posted by jaywillso let us get this quite clear before we proceed any further, you believe that there is a scriptural basis for the physical destruction of the planet, the literal earth yes? what about the physical heavens, the cosmos, are you also suggesting that the universe in which we live, the literal heavens will also be destroyed and that there is a scriptural basis for this also?
What else would you think it was refering to?
It seems pretty straight forward to me and confirmed by manyh other similar passages.
I take it literally. If God should use a super nova nearby to explode in order to do His work, it would incenerate everything on the earth.
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so let us get this quite clear before we proceed any further, you believe that there is a scriptural basis for the physical destruction of the planet, the literal earth yes? what about the physical heavens, the cosmos, are you also suggesting that the universe in which we live, the literal heavens will also be destroyed and that there is a scriptural basis for this also?
so let us get this quite clear before we proceed any further, you believe that there is a scriptural basis for the physical destruction of the planet, the literal earth yes? what about the physical heavens, the cosmos, are you also suggesting that the universe in which we live, the literal heavens will also be destroyed and that there is a scriptural basis for this also?
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I think that John saw a new heaven and a new earth:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven nd the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
And I saw the holy city New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev. 21:1,2)
I believe that John saw that the first heaven and earth had passed away and that he observed as new universe.
I believe that the New Jerusalem was symbolic rather than litural. The reason for this is the she is called the Bride and the Wife. Since the people of the church are the Bride of Christ it is not logical that God would change His mind and have a physical city be His Bride and Wife. Therefore the bride as a city must be a symbol of the church which is transformed and glorified people of Christ.
The New Jerusalem is indeed a city. It is a city of Godmen who are sons of God and united with God. And the new universe is the stage upon which this glorious "wedding" and eternal marriage life will take place.
We look forward to the New Jerusalem as a further enjoyment of the oneness we Christians presently enjoy with the Triune God. We today have a foretaste. After the 1000 year millennial kingdom we will have a full taste. And at that time also the old creation will be burned up and the saved will live in a new heaven and new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesQuestion who said Cain went to hell. The devil is trying to tempted people to go outside of God will. So unless you know God's will you will fall victim to it. So God presented His will to man (Jews) for that time.
Did man know murder was a sin before God issued the Sixth Commandment?
If man already knew that murder was wrong, what was the point of issuing the Commandment?
Also, wouldn't this also indicate that man actually does have the capacity to make correct moral judgments without being informed by God's word?
On the other hand, if man didn't know that murder was wrong, was it just for God to send Cain to hell?