1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    The apostle Peter wrote, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed."

    (2 Peter 2:1-2 NKJV)

    Who are these false teachers and what are their destructive heresies?


    Heresy in Christianity refers to non-orthodox practices and beliefs that were deemed to be heretical by one or more of the Christian churches.

    THE ORTHODOX CHRISTOLOGICAL TEACHING

    The orthodox teaching, as it developed, is that God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit were all strictly one being in three "persons" (technically hypostases). Once Trinitarian problem was settled at Nicea in 325 and the solution reaffirmed at Constantinople in 381, the question arose as to how Jesus Christ could be both divine and human. This was formally resolved after much debate by the Ecumenical Councils of 431, 451 and 680 (Ephesus, Chalcedon & Constantinople III).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies

    Notice that in the LIST OF CHRISTIAN HERESIES from the link above the Jehovah's Witnesses are listed along with their teacher Charles Taze Russell, who revived the old heresy by Arius.

    ARIUS

    He is said to have been a Libyan by descent. His father's name is given as Ammonius. In 306, Arius, who had learnt his religious views from Lucian, the presbyter of Antioch, and afterwards the martyr, took sides with Meletius, an Egyptian schismatic, against Peter, Bishop of Alexandria. But a reconciliation followed, and Peter ordained Arius deacon. Further disputes led the Bishop to excommunicate his restless churchman, who, however, gained the friendship of Achillas, Peter's successor, was made presbyter by him in 313, and had the charge of a well-known district in Alexandria called Baucalis. This entitled Arius to expound the Scriptures officially, and he exercised much influence when, in 318, his quarrel with Bishop Alexander broke out over the fundamental truth of Our Lord's divine Sonship and substance. (See ARIANISM.) While many Syrian prelates followed the innovator, he was condemned at Alexandria in 321 by his diocesan in a synod of nearly one hundred Egyptian and Libyan bishops. Deprived and excommunicated, the heresiarch fled to Palestine. He addressed a thoroughly unsound statement of principles to Eusebius of Nicomedia, who yet became his lifelong champion and who had won the esteem of Constantine by his worldly accomplishments. In his house the proscribed man, always a ready writer, composed in verse and prose a defence of his position which he termed "Thalia". A few fragments of it survive. He is also said to have published songs for sailors, millers, and travellers, in which his creed was illustrated. Tall above the common, thin, ascetical, and severe, he has been depicted in lively colours by Epiphanius (Heresies, 69, 3); but his moral character was never impeached except doubtfully of ambition by Theodoret. He must have been of great age when, after fruitless negotiations and a visit to Egypt, he appeared in 325 at Nicaea, where the confession of faith which he presented was torn in pieces. With his writings and followers he underwent the anathemas subscribed by more than 300 bishops. He was banished into Illyricum. Two prelates shared his fate, Tehonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemais. His books were burnt. The Arians, joined by their old Meletian friends, created troubles in Alexandria. Eusebius persuaded Constantine to recall the exile by indulgent letters in 328; and the emperor not only permitted his return to Alexandria in 331, but ordered Athanasius to reconcile him with the Church. On the saint's refusal more disturbance ensued. The packed and partisan Synod of Tyre deposed Athanasius on a series of futile charges in 335. Catholics were now persecuted; Arius had an interview with Constantine and submitted a creed which the emperor judged to be orthodox. By imperial rescript Arius required Alexander of Constantinople to give him Communion; but the stroke of Providence defeated an attempt which Catholics looked upon as sacrilege. The heresiarch died suddenly, and was buried by his own people. He had winning manners, an evasive style, and a disputatious temper. But in the controversy which is called after his name, Arius counted only at the beginning. He did not represent the tradition of Alexandria but the topical subtleties of Antioch. Hence, his disappearance from the scene neither stayed the combatants nor ended the quarrel which he had rashly provoked. A party-theologian, he exhibited no features of genius; and he was the product, not the founder, of a school.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01718a.htm

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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The apostle Peter wrote, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as [b]there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphem newadvent.org/cathen/01718a.htm

    HalleluYah !!! Praiese the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy![/b]
    In my opinion, the greatest heresy of all is in full swing today. And that's what is called Liberal Christian Theology.

    The basic pretense is, the bible is full of errors and just a bunch of fable and myth. They deny the deity of Christ, deny the virgin birth, the resurrection, and basically deny anything supernatural. Jesus is reduced to being a good "teacher" and that's it. That way, the skeptics have no ammunition against them.

    And this is the scary thing. The majority of Seminaries TEACH this hogwash, and spit out their graduates as being accredited ministers and theological authorities.

    I'll say again because it bears repeating: As shocking and un-Christian as this belief system sounds, the MAJORITY of all "Christian" seminaries teach it... I think the last number I heard was over 80% of seminaries teach some form of Liberal "Christian" Theology.
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    There are no supernatural beings. Therefore all professions of supernatural beings are hog wash whether they come from liberals or conservatives.
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    01 Oct '12 14:11
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The apostle Peter wrote, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as [b]there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphem ...[text shortened]... newadvent.org/cathen/01718a.htm

    HalleluYah !!! Praiese the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy![/b]
    tl;dr
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    01 Oct '12 18:20
    Originally posted by 667joe
    There are no supernatural beings. Therefore all professions of supernatural beings are hog wash whether they come from liberals or conservatives.
    Who are you to defy God? Where were you when the heavens and earth were created? How could you know any more than the rest of us? You apparently have never experienced any divine revelation from the Holy Spirit.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Who are you to defy God?
    the name on his moniker says "joe"

    Where were you when the heavens and earth were created?


    doesn't really matter where he was.

    How could you know any more than the rest of us?


    speak for yourself. it's not very hard to know more than you.


    You apparently have never experienced any divine revelation from the Holy Spirit.


    that makes two of you.
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    02 Oct '12 03:56
    Originally posted by 667joe
    There are no supernatural beings. Therefore all professions of supernatural beings are hog wash whether they come from liberals or conservatives.
    Your argument reminds me of the character in the Wizard of Oz that didn't have a brain.

    In likewise manner, I can play strawman too.

    "God exists. Therefore all professions to the contrary amount to hogwash, spewed from the mouths of the ignorant."
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    02 Oct '12 05:18
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The apostle Peter wrote, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed."

    ( ...[text shortened]... debate by the Ecumenical Councils of 431, 451 and 680 (Ephesus, Chalcedon & Constantinople III).
    that's rich. you quote peter claiming false teachers will bring in destructive heresies, then you go ahead and describe one of those destructive heresies that were brought in by false teachers in the council of nicea, completely ignoring peter's warning.
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    02 Oct '12 06:01
    Originally posted by sumydid
    In my opinion, the greatest heresy of all is in full swing today. And that's what is called Liberal Christian Theology.

    The basic pretense is, the bible is full of errors and just a bunch of fable and myth. They deny the deity of Christ, deny the virgin birth, the resurrection, and basically deny [b]anything
    supernatural. Jesus is reduced to being ...[text shortened]... ber I heard was over 80% of seminaries teach some form of Liberal "Christian" Theology.[/b]
    Agreed and faith movement



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    02 Oct '12 20:39
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Your argument reminds me of the character in the Wizard of Oz that didn't have a brain.

    In likewise manner, I can play strawman too.

    "God exists. Therefore all professions to the contrary amount to hogwash, spewed from the mouths of the ignorant."
    "God exists. Therefore all professions to the contrary amount to hogwash, spewed from the mouths of the ignorant."

    Strawman or not...I believe your post.
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    02 Oct '12 20:51
    From the above quote:

    "Heresy in Christianity refers to non-orthodox practices and beliefs that were deemed to be heretical by one or more of the Christian churches."

    So who were these men that deemed that the rejection of such teachings such as the trintiy were an act of heresy?
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    03 Oct '12 02:58
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    that's rich. you quote peter claiming false teachers will bring in destructive heresies, then you go ahead and describe one of those destructive heresies that were brought in by false teachers in the council of nicea, completely ignoring peter's warning.
    I did not ignore the warning. It is the JWs and those that believe the heretics that teach against the Triunity of God that have ignored the warning of the false teachings. 😏
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    03 Oct '12 03:03
    Originally posted by galveston75
    From the above quote:

    "Heresy in Christianity refers to non-orthodox practices and beliefs that were deemed to be heretical by one or more of the Christian churches."

    So who were these men that deemed that the rejection of such teachings such as the trintiy were an act of heresy?
    The article points out that the heresy was rejecting the teachings of the Trinity of God. So it was men like Arius that the JWs follow today that was declared a heretic.
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    yes,the jw's are wrong. we all stumble in many ways.how is this thread gonna draw people out of darkness into light?
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    03 Oct '12 08:09
    Originally posted by dunetwo
    yes,the jw's are wrong. we all stumble in many ways.how is this thread gonna draw people out of darkness into light?
    I don't know tha answer to that one. I am only making an effort.
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