Historical proof

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"The books of the Old Testament are generally divided into four classifications:

1. The Pentateuch, or The Books of the Law.

The word “Pentateuch,” is from two Greek words that mean “Five Books”, and refers to the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, [i]which our Lord Himself ascribed to Moses.[/i e form. Parts of Ecclesiastes, (1, 3, 7) are poetic. (Part Two)

"4. The Books of Prophecy.

There are sixteen prophetic books in the Old Testament. They begin at Isaiah and continue, (omitting Lamentations already mentioned), to the end of the Old Testament with the book of Malachi. Some of the writers, namely, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel, are known as “Major Prophets” in contrast with the others, often called the “Minor Prophets.” These terms do not have to with the importance of the events prophesied; rather, the words major and minor simply distinguish the length of the books between the longer and shorter ones. Every message of the Word of God is of major importance.

The nature of the prophecies varies, though almost without exception they have to do with the Jewish people. Sometimes they specifically refer to Judah and sometimes to Israel, but most often to the nation as a whole, and her relationships to the Gentile nations. In some cases the prophecies are purely local. In other instances they have a near and distant meaning, the former symbolic of the latter. Others make predictions that are wholly distant, not yet fulfilled. A reading of the context and knowledge of Bible history are the keys to understanding them. Also, some of the prophetic writings were future when penned and are now history, while others are still future.

As to the prophets themselves, some lived and wrote before the Babylonian captivity, some during it, and others after the remnant returned. They may be classified, then as follows:
a. Pre-exilic: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, and Zephaniah.
b. Exilic: Jeremiah, (whose prophecies extended from pre-exilic days to exilic days), Ezekiel, and Daniel.
c. Post-exilic: Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi.

The Old Testament concludes with the words of Malachi the prophet looking forward to the coming of Israel’s, (and the entire world’s), Messiah and Deliverer, (both in His first, Mal 3:1, and second advents, Mal 4:2), our Lord Jesus Christ, the Servant – Son, and the Sun of Righteousness. Following these promises, the very Word of God, God was silent for four centuries." (Part Three/to be continued)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"4. The Books of Prophecy.

There are sixteen prophetic books in the Old Testament. They begin at Isaiah and continue, (omitting Lamentations already mentioned), to the end of the Old Testament with the book of Malachi. Some of the writers, namely, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel, are known as “Major Prophets” in contrast with the others, of ...[text shortened]... ese promises, the very Word of God, God was silent for four centuries." (Part Three/to be continued)

II. The New Testament:

"The New Testament, contains twenty-seven books, and is that portion of Scripture which has come down to us since the earthly ministry, death, resurrection and ascension of the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. The gospels in particular record all that was done by and all that happened to our Lord, including the results of His passion and miraculous conquest over death and the grave; and His ascension. It then picks up with the giving of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This testament is new in contrast to the old, because of the work that our Lord Jesus Christ performed here, leading God the Father to establish a new covenant whereby our sins are washed away in the blood of His Son: Mat 26:27-28, “And He, (the Lord Jesus Christ), took the cup... saying... This is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

Under the old covenant man was responsible to keep the Law, and failing, he offered the blood of the sacrifice which God accepted as a covering for the sin committed and confessed. The blood sacrifice was symbolic of the blood of Christ, the true Lamb of God, which was to be shed on the Cross. Thus, under the old covenant man was saved by faith, as it were, on credit, looking forward to Christ’s death. This new covenant is better than the old, Heb 8-9.

As a result of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, God the Father ushered in a new dispensation called the Age of Grace or the Age of the Church, and a new covenant came into being, and it is of this new covenant that the last twenty-seven books of the Bible are concerned, as written in what we call the New Testament.

The books of the New Testament can be divided into four classifications:

1. The Gospels, or The Books of Grace and Truth.

The Gospels contain inspired accounts of certain incidents in the life of Christ. Though they may be termed biographies, no one of the Gospels, nor even all of them combined, contains the full record of our Lord’s life on earth, John 21:25. The first three Gospels (called the Synoptics) generally agree as to the events in the three and a half years’ service of the Servant Son, while the fourth Gospel, John’s, is occupied more with the personal and intimate words of our Lord than with His deeds. More than a third of John deals with the last week of Christ’s life.

Each of the Gospel writers presents a particular emphasis of our Lord’s person:

Matthew presented the King, written for emphasis especially to the Jews.

Mark presented the Servant, written for emphasis especially to the Romans.

Luke presented the Son of Man, written for emphasis especially to the pagan Gentiles.

John presented God the Son and His Deity, written for emphasis especially to Christians.

The Gospel records take us through the Cross, and so lead us from one dispensation to another, from Law to Grace. John 1:17, “The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (Part Four/to be continued)

Originally posted by buckky
I'm not being argumentative here but is there any historical proof of Jesus ?

I only question if Mohammad existed. 😠

Originally posted by buckky
I'm not being argumentative here but is there any historical proof of Jesus ?

Some historians refer to the "historical Jesus" and the "theological Jesus" because there are historical references like Josephus and there are Biblical references like... the Bible. Similarly, when Julius Caesar was declared a deity there would be the historical and theological Caesar.

Basically anything believed about Jesus would fall into one of these two categories.

Originally posted by whodey
I only question if Mohammad existed. 😠

As you know, his er... 'historical actuality' has been brought into question in some quarters. But his 'theological' influence is something that clearly does exist.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
II. The New Testament:

"The New Testament, contains twenty-seven books, and is that portion of Scripture which has come down to us since the earthly ministry, death, resurrection and ascension of the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. The gospels in particular record all that was done by and all that happened to our Lord, including the results of ...[text shortened]... “The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (Part Four/to be continued)

"The books of the New Testament can be divided into four classifications:

1. The Gospels, or The Books of Grace and Truth. (Part Four)

2. A Book of History.

The Acts of the Apostles introduces us to the ascension of Jesus Christ and the advent of the Holy Spirit to dwell within the believers. It is through the power of the Spirit and not in their own strength that the disciples of Christ witnessed with such wisdom and blessing, and to such results during the Apostolic age. This book gives us a history of the early church from the time of our Lord’s ascension until a few years prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in A.D. 70.

3. The Books of the Letters or Epistles.

There are twenty-one epistles, or letters, in the New Testament, from Romans through Jude, (the first 3 chapters of Revelation could also be considered epistles). These are divided into two groups, we might say, called The Pauline Epistles (Romans to Philemon), and the Jewish-Christian Epistles (Hebrews to Jude). The former give us church doctrine, while the latter carry us through the difficult transition from Law to grace, and show us that as we are all one in Christ, Jews and Gentiles alike, it is much better than in former days. Of the Pauline epistles there are two categories, church epistles, written to specific churches, (Romans to Thessalonians and Philemon), and the Pastoral epistles, written to young pastors like (Titus and Timothy), instructing them on church leadership and church conduct.

4. The Book of Prophecy - The Last Things.

All that is written in the book of Revelation, after the third chapter, is future. This book tells of the time of Great Tribulation to come upon the earth, the overthrow of Satan and his vice-regents at Armageddon, the Millennial reign of the Son of David, Satan’s final uprising and defeat, and looks through the beautiful gates of eternity. Revelation is the complement of Genesis. The Bible begins in a garden from which man is cast out because of sin. The Bible ends, as it were, in a garden wherein, cleansed from his sin, man rests beneath the leaves of the tree of healing power." (Part Five)

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I would like to see this backed up!!!!

Shouldn't be too hard to prove it to you; all that is required is a little objective studying.

An email forward received today from a friend in California:

"Jesus: Read at least the first two lines.... Never thought of it!

Jesus died over 2000 years ago.
Nobody has ever referred to Him as the late Jesus,
Not even the heathens.
Nowhere in history.
Nowhere has He ever been referred to in the past tense.
He 'is' the Living God!"

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
An email forward received today from a friend in California:

"Jesus: Read at least the first two lines.... Never thought of it!

Jesus died over 2000 years ago.
Nobody has ever referred to Him as the late Jesus,
Not even the heathens.
Nowhere in history.
Nowhere has He ever been referred to in the past tense.
He 'is' the Living God!"

Too many words for a fridge magnet or bumper sticker, I'm afraid. 😉

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
buckky, here are the "Daily Notes for Friday, April 11, 2014, Foundational Doctrines, Part 9 The Bible" from a pastor/teacher and close friend in New England. I hope the "historical proof of Jesus" becomes apparent as the outline unfolds:

"The Books of the Bible: This week we will review the books of the Bible and their make up. There are 66 book ...[text shortened]... The books of the Old Testament are generally divided into four classifications:" (Part One of Five)

"RHP/Spirituality Forum Reference Section" (Forum Page 5/Thread Page 2)

2. The Word of God

2.1. "The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and the marrow, and is a critic of thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12)

2.2. "All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God might be mature, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

2.3. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)

2.4 "But a natural man [unbeliever] does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them [the Gospel and Bible doctrine], because they are spiritually discerned [appraised]."
(1 Corinthians 2:14)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
An email forward received today from a friend in California:

"Jesus: Read at least the first two lines.... Never thought of it!

Jesus died over 2000 years ago.
Nobody has ever referred to Him as the late Jesus,
Not even the heathens.
Nowhere in history.
Nowhere has He ever been referred to in the past tense.
He 'is' the Living God!"

It is not 2000 years yet. We have about 17 years to go.

Originally posted by FMF
Too many words for a fridge magnet or bumper sticker, I'm afraid. 😉

Fridge Magnet Frigidaire

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is not 2000 years yet. We have about 17 years to go.

17/2031 = .0083702 or .8370 % Would you say that less than 1% in an email forward is significant?
In my opinion, focusing on ancillary details draws attention away from the thrust of message.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
In my opinion, focusing on ancillary details draws attention away from the thrust of message.

"Nowhere has [Jesus] ever been referred to in the past tense. He 'is' the Living God!" is both the "thrust" and the "detail" of your message in one of your previous posts. It is utterly banal. I am drawing attention to this fact.