01 Jan 08
What this post is asking is if it's possible to forgive the worst possible transgressions imaginable on the basis of the trangressor genuinely feeling sorry, but what are the odds that someone can do something so intensely inhumane and GENUINELY feel sorry for it?
People really think it makes a difference if a person regrets killing millions of people?
At that point I don't care if he's sorry he should BURN in hell. Andrew Dice Clay one time suggested a punishment for Hitler, I agree with him...
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by The Dude 84It wouldn't be on the basis of his remorse so much as on the basis of the cross. It would not be a case of forgiving what was done either.
What this post is asking is if it's possible to forgive the worst possible transgressions imaginable on the basis of the trangressor genuinely feeling sorry, but what are the odds that someone can do something so intensely inhumane and GENUINELY feel sorry for it?
People really think it makes a difference if a person regrets killing millions of peopl ...[text shortened]... URN in hell. Andrew Dice Clay one time suggested a punishment for Hitler, I agree with him...
What makes you think that your righteousness will put you in good standing with God anyway? You are just as much in need as hitler of forgiveness.
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterbut i didnt cause the deaths of over 50million lives, so you're saying if i'm not a christian i'm as evil as hitler, this cant be true because i respect all life and would not kill for power of glory, therefore your theory is wrong and a pathetic one at that
It wouldn't be on the basis of his remorse so much as on the basis of the cross. It would not be a case of forgiving what was done either.
What makes you think that your righteousness will put you in good standing with God anyway? You are just as much in need as hitler of forgiveness.
01 Jan 08
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Originally posted by The Dude 84so you're saying he should burn no matter what, what if he killed only one person, would he then be forgiven? at what stage is it beyond forgiveness, 2 lives, million lives, 10 million... there's too many flaws in your logic
What this post is asking is if it's possible to forgive the worst possible transgressions imaginable on the basis of the trangressor genuinely feeling sorry, but what are the odds that someone can do something so intensely inhumane and GENUINELY feel sorry for it?
People really think it makes a difference if a person regrets killing millions of peopl URN in hell. Andrew Dice Clay one time suggested a punishment for Hitler, I agree with him...
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopWhat is the point of hell if Hitler can avoid it by forgiveness? Who is worse than him? Surely if there is a hell (which there isn't) he would go there. Yeah, if you kill anyone you should be there too. Hell is for murderers right?
so you're saying he should burn no matter what, what if he killed only one person, would he then be forgiven? at what stage is it beyond forgiveness, 2 lives, million lives, 10 million... there's too many flaws in your logic
I forgive someone if they stand me up for plans to hang out and they apologize, not if they kill me in cold blood for being a Jew.
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterWHAT?!?!??
It wouldn't be on the basis of his remorse so much as on the basis of the cross. It would not be a case of forgiving what was done either.
What makes you think that your righteousness will put you in good standing with God anyway? You are just as much in need as hitler of forgiveness.
I'm in as much need of forgiveness as hitler? If this is true in your religion then your religion is CRAZY.
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by The Dude 84Yes , it is crazy in a way because it destroys our prideful self righteousness. Something within you wants to say "I could never do what Hitler did" and yet if you had lived his life and been in his shoes how do you know? Also , God is so holy that any lack of righteousness in his sight requires forgiveness (eg the sacrifice of christ). You cannot stand in front of God and claim that your righteousness (as opposed to hitlers) is going to impress God enough to put you right with him.
WHAT?!?!??
I'm in as much need of forgiveness as hitler? If this is true in your religion then your religion is CRAZY.
Of course , God knows the terrible nature of hitler's crimes against humanity and knows that what you have done is nothing compared to this , but in terms of matching up to his holiness you and hitler (and me) are in the same boat and require the covering blood of christ. God also knows that within your heart the ability to be like hitler is there because of your fallen humanity but most of us are in denial about this and say things like " I could never dream of doing that!! ".
The Gospel will always be a scandal to those who seek to stand before God in their own righteousness.
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopNo , I didn't say you were just as evil as hitler but you are no more likely to gain salvation than hitler without recourse to the cross of christ. All have fallen short and although hitler has fallen way shorter than most , you me and everyone cannot match up to God's holiness. If a man like hitler confesses and repents and asks for forgiveness on the basis of christ's sacrifice and you don't do this and go to God under the pretence that you are a good man and he should let you in on the basis of this then you will be in for a shock.
but i didnt cause the deaths of over 50million lives, so you're saying if i'm not a christian i'm as evil as hitler, this cant be true because i respect all life and would not kill for power of glory, therefore your theory is wrong and a pathetic one at that
I know this sounds scandalous but hey , that's the gospel , it's not there to make you feel better.
01 Jan 08
Originally posted by The Dude 84There is no "point" to hell , it's just where you will end up if you don't accept the free gift of heaven. You can't buy it with your "goodness" , you just accept it. If hitler accepts it and you don't then that would be the way it was.
What is the point of hell if Hitler can avoid it by forgiveness? Who is worse than him? Surely if there is a hell (which there isn't) he would go there. Yeah, if you kill anyone you should be there too. Hell is for murderers right?
I forgive someone if they stand me up for plans to hang out and they apologize, not if they kill me in cold blood for being a Jew.
