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And Adam certainly had reason to think the serpent was being truthful since he knew Eve wasnt dead yet.Mon ami grenouille, I thought I already told you, "And, as a matter of fact, they did die as a result of their sin."
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Originally posted by kingdanwaGen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Mon ami grenouille, I thought I already told you, "And, as a matter of fact, they did die as a result of their sin."
If God had created a perfect creation, it never would have fallen.I'm glad you brought up Jesus. One major distinction must be made between Jesus' perfection and the hoped-for perfection of Adam and Eve. According to Jesus, he himself was God, not simply God's creation.
Consider the way in which Jesus was viewed: He underwent all manner
of very active temptation by the Devil itself, but never so much as
waffled. A perfect being will respond to temptation in the perfect way.
Clearly, humankind was not perfect and thus sucumbed to temptation.
As for needing the Fall in order to love God, ...[text shortened]... ing your child that you love them more than they could have
understood without the 'box lesson?'
Originally posted by poopsiecuiFirst of all, any claims made about Jesus's divinity are not 'according to
According to Jesus, he himself was God, not simply God's creation.
First of all, any claims made about Jesus's divinity are not 'according to Jesus' (for He, Himself, left no writings).I have often heard this argument, and I understand why so many would ask it. Unfortunately this view would destroy completely the notion of any kind of history. Would we only accept that Napolean conquered most of Europe, if he wrote about it himself? Do we not rely on reporters and investigators for all of our news, current and ancient?
Second of all, what citation attributed to Jesus (or any other NT writer)
explicitly says that 'Jesus was God' (not 'Son of God,' which is vastly
different).
Originally posted by NemesioThis is Gnostic
Originally posted by poopsiecui
[b]I have often heard this argument, and I understand why so many would ask it. Unfortunately this view would destroy completely the notion of any kind of history. Would we only accept that Napolean conquered most of Europe, if he wrote about it himself? Do we not rely on reporters and investigators for all of our n ...[text shortened]... passage of Colossians, which makes pretty clear that
He was part of God's Creation.
Nemesio
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesAssuming, of course, that the serpent was an entity external to Adam and Eve and tempted them at a specific point in time.
Upon a personal recommendation from a respected theologian, I am
currently reading C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, which allegorically addresses
several questions of theology in general, and in particular, some
central aspects of Christian theology.
I came across the following passage today, where I have substituted
standard Christian terminology ...[text shortened]... assignment: answer Lewis's questions.
I hope to receive some thoughtful responses.
Dr. S
Originally posted by frogstompYes, there are many themes which are common to the various
This is Gnostic
77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the All. From Me did the All come forth, and unto Me did the All extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find Me there."
from the Coptic Gospel of Thomas
Of course, it's not in the canon
Originally posted by Nemesiohttp://www.catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Chirst.asp
All of this is an aside to my main point above which was that the notion
of Jesus's being Divine was not concretely established until a long time
after His death and is certainly not present in any of the Canonical
writings.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI've read "Gospel of Truth" , written in the absence of the canon, by a presbyter of the Church of Rome, Valentinus. At first reading the Coptic words make it seem off the wall but retranslating them in the light of a more modern understanding of the nature of the universe, makes it clear that he was a bit more spiritually advanced than the people that ran him out of the church.
Yes, there are many themes which are common to the various
Gnostic sects, many of which are echoed in the Gospel of St Thomas,
some of which are in the Gospel of St John. You will notice I used the
term 'proto-Gnostic' because Gnosti ...[text shortened]... rtainly not present in any of the Canonical
writings.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioIt's more intellectually honest than simply doing a copy-paste job on the website.
I'm disappointed you have resorted to the 'cite a website' game.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/robert_price/son.html
Nemesio