Humanist prayer ending:

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Everyone.
He was only half man.

This is like a person in a room full of peaple chewing stinky garlic. He gets so use to the smell that he doesn't even notice the stench in the room anymore.

You say "everyone" is more of a man than Jesus. No, you have taken fallen, corrupted humanity, sinning humanity, as the norm.

Jesus is not the enigma. Jesus is the standard meant by God. The presence of Christ demonstrates how much the human family as fallen from God's original intention.

Normal then is set by this astounding one - the Son of God.
You have opted to imagining that the sin infested man is normal and that Jesus Christ must have been some abnormality, some enigma.

Christ stands out because Christ is what God meant by "human being."

Originally posted by sonhouse
We change Amen. To A man.

re you one of those referred to in Romans?
(Romans 1:24-27) Therefore, God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, so that their bodies might be dishonored among them. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and "venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation" rather than the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen. 26 That is why God gave them over to uncontrolled sexual passion, for their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty, which was due for their error.

Originally posted by roigam
re you one of those referred to in Romans?
(Romans 1:24-27) Therefore, God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, so that their bodies might be dishonored among them. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and "venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation" rather than the Creator, who is praised fore ...[text shortened]... ing what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty, which was due for their error.

So, a fun time in the old town tonight.....So what are you doing after the bacchanalia?

It's funny, humans actually thinking a god would think or act like that. The whole concept of a god COMMANDING humans to attack other humans simply because they venerate beetles or whatever. That is not a god speaking. Those words are 100% men deciding to attack other men.

In fact, the entire concept of a god, a being capable of creating entire universes, would say to an isolated tribe in the middle east, fight those dudes over there because they don't worship me is totally ludicrous.

So you, tribe, fight THAT tribe. While totally ignoring the entire culture of India, China, South America, Europe, Siberia, Alaska and so forth.

So we are to be led to believe this god just came down to the isolated Semite tribes and started working on its religion thing right there with no reference to anyone else on the planet and what's more, condemning the rest of the planet to hell for not believing, not caring all those countries or areas I mentioned never heard this word for thousands of years.

Sure, it could happen. Only in a mushroom addled desert rat getting to much sun and not enough water.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So, a fun time in the old town tonight.....So what are you doing after the bacchanalia?

It's funny, humans actually thinking a god would think or act like that. The whole concept of a god COMMANDING humans to attack other humans simply because they venerate beetles or whatever. That is not a god speaking. Those words are 100% men deciding to attack other ...[text shortened]... it could happen. Only in a mushroom addled desert rat getting to much sun and not enough water.

You remind me of an old Ebenezer Scrooge who despises Christmas and who is continually crying out "Bah, humbug!"

Originally posted by RJHinds
You remind me of an old Ebenezer Scrooge who despises Christmas and who is continually crying out "Bah, humbug!"

I intensely dislike what is done in the name of religion.

Originally posted by sonship
Christ stands out because Christ is what [b]God meant by "human being."[/b]

If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, would have Jesus have ever come into existence?

Originally posted by sonhouse
I intensely dislike what is done in the name of religion.

Do you mean like feeding the hungry and caring for the poor?

Maybe you're referring to the hypocrites that pretend to believe and use it as an excuse to kill for power and wealth?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, would have Jesus have ever come into existence?

God has always existed. Don't waste your time trying to understand that.

Originally posted by sonhouse
We change Amen. To A man.

You/we can't change anything! On a superficial level, maybe a little.

Change your socks. That's about all the change you can do.

Originally posted by josephw
God has always existed. Don't waste your time trying to understand that.

I didn't ask about God.

I asked about Jesus.

Would Jesus (who is - according to some, but not others - both the son of Gosh and Gosh himself.......... don't bother me with your logic) have come into existence if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned?

Originally posted by josephw
Do you mean like feeding the hungry and caring for the poor?

Maybe you're referring to the hypocrites that pretend to believe and use it as an excuse to kill for power and wealth?

I think you will find sonhouse was referring in part to the atrocities committed in the name of religion. I understand that 20 christian fisherman have just been beheaded in Libya.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
I didn't ask about God.

I asked about Jesus.

Would Jesus (who is - according to some, but not others - both the son of Gosh and Gosh himself.......... don't bother me with your logic) have come into existence if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned?

Get educated on the Trinity Doctrine. Then you will have your answer. 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
Get educated on the Trinity Doctrine. Then you will have your answer. 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

So, is that a yes or a no... would Jesus have come into existence if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
So, is that a yes or a no... would Jesus have come into existence if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned?

That is for you to figure out for yourself. Don't be lazy. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is for you to figure out for yourself. Don't be lazy. 😏

I don’t know why I would bother talking to you. You share a level of stupidity that is equaled only by Grampy Bobby.

Nevermind.