Humans are egotistical when it comes to god.

Originally posted by Nemesio
It is unlike you to be sarcastic (and unbecoming).

The way I define these terms differs from yours, which is why
I treat non-human animals with a great deal more respect and reverence
(something I think God would demand) than you.

That you have not articulated a difference, I think, demonstrates the
sort of poor assumptions that you have ma ...[text shortened]... entity moral consideration and is one of many flaws in your theological
perspective.

Nemesio

What can I say, as far as being sarcastic, I do not ever recall you
jumping up to defend me when I am being attacked every which
way there is, but I get upset and it comes out, you are now the
judge of how I act? I'm guess you have some double standards
here, if I'm to be held to one standard by you, why are you holding
everyone else to something different? As far as my answering to God,
I'm His servant, not yours.
Kelly

Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
Like fossils, plate tectonics, and evolution in microbes/fungi/plants/insects, God just put those telomeres there to confuse us scientists. He had to because it wouldn't be possible to really believe the Bible if there weren't strong evidence to the contrary.

They are there, what you start thinking about them is completely up
to you, if God tells you He created the universe one way, and you
reject that, the storys you make up to convince yourself you know
better are simply that, your stories.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I noticed you did not back up your statement, how sad. You are as
closed minded as they come, and it is a pity too, since you seems to
want to accuse everyone else of what you are guilty of.
Kelly

Do you really think we are all blind that you never spout supernatural sources? What do you think the concept of god is anyway? Any referance to some god or other is spouting supernatural sources by definition. I thought I didn't have to point that out but apparently you don't understand the differance.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Do you really think we are all blind that you never spout supernatural sources? What do you think the concept of god is anyway? Any referance to some god or other is spouting supernatural sources by definition. I thought I didn't have to point that out but apparently you don't understand the differance.

It is something quite simple, in this discussion where have I done it,
if you are going to pull in every discussion I have ever been in to find
one I'm sure you will see that, because of the nature of some of the
discussions I have been in and started. You accused me of doing it
here so produce one, you may find more than a few out side of this
discussion. If you are not willing to produce something you claimed
I did just one example I’d say that shows a pattern in your life. You
should check at the door your prejudice and realize it is you who spout
off personal attacks towards those that have religious beliefs without
cause instead of me bringing in God every time I get into a discussion
with out someone else bringing Him in first. Since I have little hope
for you to back up your words, I also have little hope that your
statement about changing your mind for evidence sake too, since it is
evidence right here I’m asking you to produce, I’m more of the
opinion you like what you like, and you will not change your mind
because is it very closed to anything but your world views.
Kelly

Originally posted by scottishinnz
We don't have the remains of every human that ever existed, so in that way, yes, there are missing links. However, the amount of evidence that we evolved from primates is strong.

Our biochemistry and physiology are nearly identical, we share 96% of our DNA code. Other primates have 48 chromosomes, we have 46. Since one pair of chromosomes can't ju ...[text shortened]... forms, see this website for details.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html

That makes sense to me.

Once you have the first man, man will begin to evolve.
When was the first man according to your theory? Did he evolve from an ape? Do species evolve into other "new" species? Did all animals evolve from lighting in a mud-puddle? Did plants evolve from mud too? What was first .. plants or animals? Did one evolve from the other? Is our DNA close to a tulips?

I don't see the link from mud to monkey to man .. was it 1 billion yesra ago? 500 million? can you narrow it down to a time and place?

What makes it so hard to explain to your average non-scientific type (like me) in plain english?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Proof actually is right in front of us, that is to say, proof that evolutionary change happens, we can artificially genetically modify plants and animals right now, using our knowledge of genetics and evolution, we can make phosphoresent cotton, or introduce medicines into cows milk, or turn bone stem cells into sperm, etc. Without the background of evolution and genetics from the past 100 years we would never have that capability.

Can you create a human being from mud and lighting? Can you create mud from nothing? lighting?

Originally posted by KellyJay
They are there, what you start thinking about them is completely up
to you, if God tells you He created the universe one way, and you
reject that, the storys you make up to convince yourself you know
better are simply that, your stories.
Kelly

Telomeres serve no purpose whatsoever in the middle of chromosomes, but are neccesary on the ends, it would be poor 'design' to put them there if you were making animals deliberately, but if two chromosomes merged it makes perfect sense. That is really the only logical explanation given the evidence, we have 1 fewer pair of chromosomes, and one of ours is bigger than the corrrestpoinding chromosome by the same amount as the missing one, has telomere, which are normally only found on the ends, and all the right genes.

This is like you set a pie out on the table to cool and leave the house. You come back and the pie tin is on the floor, there are sticky paw prints around it, and the dog is sitting there looking as innocent as it can. Maybe I'm making up a story when I say that dog probably ate the pie, but i think it is a whole lot more likely than saying Jesus ate it, and then planted the dog there.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is something quite simple, in this discussion where have I done it,
if you are going to pull in every discussion I have ever been in to find
one I'm sure you will see that, because of the nature of some of the
discussions I have been in and started. You accused me of doing it
here so produce one, you may find more than a few out side of this
discuss ...[text shortened]... u will not change your mind
because is it very closed to anything but your world views.
Kelly

We have all given you plenty of evidence, just exactly what do you think I should do next, bring you an encyclopedia? You want it in writing? I think you just will refuse anything we bring to the table. That to me means closed mind. All you have is a 5000 year old creation story which actually preceeds christianity. I know that one for a fact, I saw the drawings on 4000 year old papyrus from the Cairo museum in Egypt. I am not some small town dweller never going a hundred miles from home. How many places like that have you personally seen? I even have the 7 day story on new papyrus they sell at the museum for tourists, except it's a copy of the real thing which I saw with my own two eyes, christianity just stole the story and made it their own, not because it's true but because they couldn't come up with anything better due to the limited imaginations of the early writers who didn't have a clue as to how to start a real religion, since they for sure didn't have god on their side. So what kind of evidence do you want? I'm also quite sure you would make sure I couldn't provide it so your closed mind will be safe from the contamination of heathen like me.

Originally posted by jammer
Can you create a human being from mud and lighting? Can you create mud from nothing? lighting?

So you don't know my middle name? Frankenstein? Lightning really does a number on bodies, am working my way to mud as we speak.
So when did I ever say I had such a capability or anyone else on the planet? Let me guess, you are a christian and believe totally in the 7 day, 6000 year ago creation thing, right? One thing I wonder, do you know the 7 day creation story did not even originate with christianity?
As I was telling your buddy in arms KJ, I saw the papyrus about 4000 years old in the Cairo museum that depicted the whole thing but it was quite egyptian in design, not a christian in sight. So your creation story is just another plagerism of the false non-god you worship.
If you read my posts I said right now we can change genetic material to add odd bits to the genome, like making human medicines or making mice glow at night. It seems clear to me within another 50 years we will be making viruses out of mud in the lab, making life where there was none before just like it. News at 11. Was your ploy, asking me if I personally could make life from mud supposed to somehow rattle me? Shake me into believing or something? That kind of technique didn't work on me when I was 8, why do thing it would work now?

Originally posted by jammer
That makes sense to me.

Once you have the first man, man will begin to evolve.
When was the first man according to your theory? Did he evolve from an ape? Do species evolve into other "new" species? Did all animals evolve from lighting in a mud-puddle? Did plants evolve from mud too? What was first .. plants or animals? Did one evolve from the other? Is ...[text shortened]... t makes it so hard to explain to your average non-scientific type (like me) in plain english?

I gave you a link yesterday that dealt with this specifically. Apparently you ignored it completely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

Originally posted by rwingett
I gave you a link yesterday that dealt with this specifically. Apparently you ignored it completely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

Don't worry, ignoring evidence is their biggest strength.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So you don't know my middle name? Frankenstein? Lightning really does a number on bodies, am working my way to mud as we speak.
So when did I ever say I had such a capability or anyone else on the planet? Let me guess, you are a christian and believe totally in the 7 day, 6000 year ago creation thing, right? One thing I wonder, do you know the 7 day creati ...[text shortened]... ething? That kind of technique didn't work on me when I was 8, why do thing it would work now?

You don't guess too good, hope you do better in the rest of your guesses in life.
I've posted several times that i'm not a Christian, but if it makes you feel better to go off on another hate-rant, go for it.

My "ploy" in that post was to point out that you're not quite as clever as you may think. I don't care what you believe or how you came to it. It just don't mean nothin' to me. Why would I want to rattle you? You're nothing to me. I DO have one of your old Albums though. Not bad. I was listening to your music before you were born most likely.

When you figure out "my" creation story let me know what it is.

Originally posted by rwingett
I gave you a link yesterday that dealt with this specifically. Apparently you ignored it completely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

Just gave it a try .. too deep for me, can't follow along and get any understanding from it at all, i'm just reading words I don't understand.

Shouldn't it be a little easier for your average non-scientist to understand?
Isn't it just scientists saying "This is what we THINK happened."?

I mean .. it's not a fact is it?
Looks to me like it requires a leap of faith .. and i'm not real strong in that department.

Originally posted by jammer
You don't guess too good, hope you do better in the rest of your guesses in life.
I've posted several times that i'm not a Christian, but if it makes you feel better to go off on another hate-rant, go for it.

My "ploy" in that post was to point out that you're not quite as clever as you may think. I don't care what you believe or how you came to it. It ju ...[text shortened]... born most likely.

When you figure out "my" creation story let me know what it is.

Well then, pardon my blooper, thought you were aligned with the other brain dead christians. May I ask what religion you subscribe to?

Originally posted by jammer
Just gave it a try .. too deep for me, can't follow along and get any understanding from it at all, i'm just reading words I don't understand.

Shouldn't it be a little easier for your average non-scientist to understand?
Isn't it just scientists saying "This is what we THINK happened."?

I mean .. it's not a fact is it?
Looks to me like it requires a leap of faith .. and i'm not real strong in that department.

A scientist does not "believe" that each hypothetical step on that timeline is infallibly true. They are likely inferences based upon the accumulation of physical evidence. If new evidence came to light suggesting that one of the steps was a bit different, a scientist would have no problem in modifying his stance to accommodate the new knowledge. So yes, even though it is scientists saying "this is what we think happened", it does not mean that it is just their unfounded opinion.

This contrasts strongly with religious belief, which is base on a complete absence of evidence, and which is totally inflexible in its beliefs.