Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The text states that Jesus is of creation, the firstborn of all creation infact, clearly he was created first and through him all other things were created, why this should be hard to understand i cannot say, why you need to mention the watchtower is again a reflection of the weakness of your arguments and an inability to engage in rational thought, ...[text shortened]... w how its possible to be the firstborn of all creation and not be created or a part of creation?
Because in these verses, 1:15 and 1:18 of Colossians, firstborn does not mean eldest of those born. It indicates RANK.
If He was indeed the firstborn, according to your definition, then there was no creation before Him? If He was, as you say, the FIRST BORN "of all creation", then why was He not born until the New Testament? Surely, everyone in the Old Testament was born before him, q.e.d.
(I also here must remind you that Paul uses the Greek word for "firstborn", not "first born", or "first created". The Greek word was commonly used in his time to refer to rank, as an heir would be, regardless of birth order, and the text context bears this out.)
By the way, the correct translation is "firstborn of every creature", I do not know why you continue to misappropriate the text.