@Ghost-of-a-Duke
To be frank sonship I find your approach to suicide profoundly naive, and yes, flippant. To suggest Christians should exercise 'self-control' and draw strength from a 'hidden place' to endure excruciating pain and suffering you personally have no knowledge or appreciation of is crass beyond belief.
Could it be that you have no experience of what I am saying?
Could it be that the naivete is from your side?
Above here you misunderstand me to say "Man, draw on your own resources."
That is YOUR assumption of what is being explained. That is YOUR misunderstanding.
I wrote that
"the fruit of the Holy Spirit" included
"self control".
YOU gloss over as meaningless the phrase
"the fruit of the Spirit" . But because you undervalue the Spirit of God does not mean many of us who have experience are obligated to follow YOUR dismissal.
Folks, there is a Person who overcame the world. There is a WINNER and Victor. He is called the Prince of Life. He is not dead and gone. Nor is he the stuff of legion or fiction.
He is available in an admittedly unusual form. Yet He is available to dispense Himself into us. One of the fruits of His mingling with our innermost being is
self-control.
I have said that this Christ derived
"self-control" can be compared perhaps to "power steering" in an automible. With a minimal amount of cooperation a stronger power is available to us just as in power steering.
This is not "Grit your teeth. Strain your muscles. Stiffen your spine and give it the utmost push with your will power."
This many have ALREADY tried and seen inadequate. That one of the reasons for the self loathing to begin with. That's
Romans 7.
The fruit of the Spirit is that ... fruit. Spontaneously flowing out [without] self effort. Only turning the heart to the indwelling Christ. Self control reigns over control by the flesh.
The cost is to be willing to DIE with Christ in the ego so that you may LIVE with Him in a blended, mingled, incorporated way.
More on this below. But Ghost is reading all these words from the New Testament and dumbing them down to a level that is familiar to him.
"Oh, you are speaking of self effort and therefore not understanding the seriousness of some people's emotional problems."
I am speaking of the real yet admittedly mysterious experience of Christ Himself, in His ministry as a life giving "Pneumatic" spiritual presence, imparting what He is drop by drop, drip by drip into our being.
This drip by drip , drop by drop accumulated in the Apostle Paul. And after many years we have the testimony of a God-man - a normal Christian life.
"I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is CHrist who lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
[b]I do not nullify the grace of God ..." (See Gal. 2:20)
So let's complete the verse now.
"I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing."