18 Oct '18 07:37>
@sonship saidI am not a troll and neither is sonhouse.
Well are you or are you not a more experienced troll then sonhouse ?
@sonship saidI am not a troll and neither is sonhouse.
Well are you or are you not a more experienced troll then sonhouse ?
@sonship saidNo.
On this forum there is a little place for a Thumbs up symbol and a Thumbs down symbol. They appear to stand for approval.
Question: Is there to you any Universal and Ultimate "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" ?
@sonship saidNobody does. There are no "ultimate" "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" on a universal scale. What are the "thumbs down" for in your imagination? Not being members of your religion?
Question: Is there to you any Universal and Ultimate "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" ?
Or put less trivially - On an ultimate and universal scale do you believe there is a final Approval and/or Disapproval ?
If so. Who gives it?
@sonship saidYour point wasn't missed. Your point was a clumsy 'hook.'
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
So, how about answering this question:
'As a Christian do you place more value on the life and death of a significant person (say, who discovers a cure for a disease) than the life of a humble person who quietly raises a family?'
My point was missed. And the argument now is wandering away from what I wanted to explain about how ...[text shortened]... its terminating power.
It had nothing to do with arguing that little people are not important.
"But they who are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and its lusts." (Galatians 5:24)
"But they who are of Christ Jesus have CRUCIFIED the flesh with its passions and its lusts.
If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit." (Gal. 5:24,25)
@sonship saidCapitulation accepted.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Alright, alright. You won that argument. Way to go.
Now, let me get back to the positive influences of the death of Christ for the believer who puts his trust in Jesus' work.
Paul says belonging to Christ Jesus involves crucifying, by the Person of the Holy Spirit, the passions and lusts of the flesh.
"But they who are of Christ Jesus ha ...[text shortened]... by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit." (Gal. 5:24,25) [/b]
It gets even better.
But I say, Walk by the Spirit and you shall by no means fulfill the list of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh; for these oppose each other that you would not do the things that you desire."
But this I say, Walk by the Spirit and you shall BY NO MEANS fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh, ...
Capitulation accepted.
"But I say ..."
"But this I say, Walk by the Spirit and you shall by no means fulfill the lust of the flesh." (Gal. 5:16)
"But they who are of Christ Jesus have crucified [terminated, killed off, cut off, executed to death] the works of the flesh with its passions and its lusts." (Gal. 5:24)
"And the works of the flesh are manifest, which are such things as
fornication,
uncleaness,
lasciviousness,
idolatry,
sorcery,
enmities,
strife,
jealousy,
outbursts of anger,
factions,
divisions,
sects,
envyings,
bouts of drunkenness,
carousings,
and things such as these, of which I tell you beforehand, even as I have said before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal, 5:19-21)
@sonship saidReturning to the OP.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Capitulation accepted.
Good.
Now the Spirit Paul speaks of is Christ in another form. That is a form in which Christ can come into people and live a blended life with them.
This Christ has a strong lust to crucify many things which trouble us, sadden us, plague us and make our lives miserable. These things are [b]"the works of ...[text shortened]... it of Christ simply lusts to terminate these things with a strong holy craving of His divine nature.
"But they who are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and its lusts." (Gal. 5:24)
" ... but if by the Spirit you put to death the practices of the body, you will live." (Rom. 8:13b)
@ghost-of-a-duke saidStill, he was comparing a 'significant' person's life with the 'significance' of their death. The point was not whose life is more 'significant'. All the agita about this seems, to have as its only motivation, to make him look worse for something he didn't say.
His original question was "Would you agree that the more significant a person's life was the more significant their death is?'
Sonship did not specify he was talking about Jesus or define what he meant by 'significant.' We are living in a world where the death of a celebrity gets huge tv coverage and where the death of the hard working chap down the road doesn't ge ...[text shortened]... k of celebrity status?
Again, all life is significant. I hoped this wasn't just an atheist thing.
How is the list of the works of the flesh (to be killed off by the crucifixion of Jesus) of any relevance to someone contemplating suicide, rendering it obsolete?
"And the works of the flesh are manifest, which are such things as fornication, uncleaness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, divisions, sects, envyings, bouts of drunkenness, carousings, and things such as these, of which I tell you beforehand, even as I have said before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal, 5:19-21)
"But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control, against such things there is no law." (Gal. 5:22,23)
Are you suggesting the motivators for suicide consist of uncleanness, sorcery and the like? (If so, why have you missed off undeserved terminal illness where the prognosis is only one of ongoing suffering and loss of dignity? )
But they who are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and its lusts. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
Let us not become vainglorious, provoking one another, envying one another." (Gal. 5:24-26)
Are you suggesting the motivators for suicide consist of uncleanness, sorcery and the like? (If so, why have you missed off undeserved terminal illness where the prognosis is only one of ongoing suffering and loss of dignity? )
"For if we have grown together with HIm in the likeness of His death, indeed we will also be in the likeness of His resurrection." (Rom. 6:4 Recovery Version)
"Knowing this, that our old man has been crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be annulled, that we should no longer serve sins as slaves." (Rom. 6:6)
"For he who has died is justified from sin.
Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him." (v.8)
"Knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more; death lords it over Him no more.
For the death which He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life which He lives, He lives to God." (vs. 8,9)