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You agree then?
Man completely united with God as one is expressed in history on this earth in the Person of Jesus Christ. Mere man not united with God is not altogether bad but not as glorious as man united with God.
So the real gift is for the created natural life to be united with the uncreated and eternal Person.
Much worse than good man yet not united is a fallen man infested with God's enemy Satan.
IN order of inferiority to superiority then:
1.) Man illegally joined with Satan - the lowest level ending in death, and under the wrath of God.
2.) Man not united with Satan but natural - better, and even possibly everlasting. Better but not yet the TOP blessing.
3.) Man mingled and united with God, organically one and blended with the uncreated Divine Person - the TOP blessing, best of all.
Originally posted by @sonshipThis thread is about life and death, about human aspirations, human conjecture about an afterlife, about the promises perceived to have been made by divine beings. You think it is "nitpicking on minor things"? Good grief. What is the matter with you, sonship?
You like to nit pick on minor things, hoping to score on minor things to distract from your inability to refute major things.
Originally posted by @sonship
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Originally posted by @fmfDivegeester was complaining over my supposed not noticing the word " if ". Learn to read, his remedy.
This thread is about life and death, about human aspirations, human conjecture about an afterlife, about the promises perceived to have been made by divine beings. You think it is "nitpicking on minor things"? Good grief. What is the matter with you, sonship?
Nothing much in his criticism about my statements on
- " life and death, about human aspirations, human conjecture about an afterlife, about the promises perceived to have been made by divine beings. "
Originally posted by @sonship"This thread" is not "nitpicking on minor things". You sound foolish.
Divegeester was complaining over my supposed not noticing the word " if ". Learn to read, his remedy.
Nothing much in his criticism about my statements on
- " life and death, about human aspirations, human conjecture about an afterlife, about the promises perceived to have been made by divine beings. "
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Originally posted by @fmfI didn't say that "this thread" or "the thread" was nitpicking on minor things. I said his complaint about my treatment (or lack of) the word "IF" was.
"This thread" is not "nitpicking on minor things". You sound foolish.
You sound overly subjective about your thread.
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Originally posted by @fmf
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Its a perfectly fair question.
To those who have natural life eternity is something of a longing which God has placed in their hearts.
"He has made everything beautiful in its own time; also He has put eternity in their heart, yet so that man does not find out what God has done from the beginning to the end." (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
Of course an Atheist would say "God has not put eternity or anything else in my heart."
And some people appear not to long for anything beyond what they can derive from being under the sun.
This is not an attempt to give a full answer to the question poses in the OP which I did not say was nitpicking at all.
The book of Ecclesiastes is interesting to me because it kind of wrestles with this problem of man from a pragmatic point of view. It general theme is that something is missing if only things in this life are important.
In fact the man who had so much in wisdom, fame, pleasures, riches, artistic possessions, beauty, wives, property said several times that it was all VANITY and chasing after the wind.
Solomon said, given this life as the only thing, SOMETHING is missing. Something renders it all "vanity of vanities".
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Originally posted by @sonshipDo you believe your God placed a longing for "natural life eternity" in the hearts of Muslims and Hindus according to the religions they profess too? Presumably, you do. Those religions offer answers to that supposedly divinely "placed" longing, as you know. Seems like a bit of a sadistic 'joke' that your ideology sees them getting hung out burning on chains forever when they die for not having the same religion [i.e. answer to the longing] as you, don't you?
To those who have natural life eternity is something of a longing which God has placed in their hearts.
Originally posted by @fmfI don't believe God is the God of religion.
Do you believe your God placed a longing for "natural life eternity" in the hearts of Muslims and Hindus according to the religions they profess too? Presumably, you do. Those religions offer answers to that supposedly divinely "placed" longing, as you know. Seems like a bit of a sadistic 'joke' that your ideology sees them getting hung out burning on chains fo ...[text shortened]... r when they die for not having the same religion [i.e. answer to the longing] as you, don't you?
"Religions" is sociological construct you need to make sense of the world from your point of view.
And Muslims and Hindus are human being too. So what was put into the hearts of all human beings was also put into the hearts of Muslims and Hindus and Atheists.
Arguing that God is a matter only pertinent to "religions" is as stupid sounding to me as arguing that gravity only applies to the physics laboratory.
Originally posted by @sonshipYou are a propagandist for your religion, sonship. Religions - like yours - are a construct that people like you need to make sense of the world. They are the product of psychology and anthropology.
"Religions" is sociological construct you need to make sense of the world from your point of view.
Originally posted by @sonshipSo you believe ~ according to your ideology ~ that your god figure placed the longing for an afterlife in the hearts of Muslims and Hindus, whose religions promote the notion of an afterlife that corresponds to that longing, and then your god figure plans to hang Muslims and Hindus out burning on chains forever and ever for being Muslims and Hindus? Blimey.
[b]And Muslims and Hindus are human being too. So what was put into the hearts of all human beings was also put into the hearts of Muslims and Hindus and Atheists. /b]
Originally posted by @fmfNo one lives for all eternity......unless you were born at the beginning of time, that is.
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Then after we are born, does God want us around for all eternity? Are we worth it?
That is the question.