Originally posted by @fmfBesides that, the Christian version of eternal life perplexes me utterly. The "saved" will find that many of their loved ones didn't make the cut and are burning in a lake of fire. How can one enjoy eternity in those conditions? And what of those who remarried after their first spouse died? Is bigamy allowed in heaven?
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
I'll just say that if, under such circumstances, one were to somehow find bliss on a cloud, plucking at a harp and having three-ways every Sunday, then immortality has proven to be a will-o-the-wisp. One's identity will have changed so drastically in making the transition from the mundane to the sacred plane that, effectively, one has "died." You're not "you" anymore, you're some misshapen wight wrought by the hammer of your god as a condition for passing through the Pearly Gates.
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Originally posted by @fmfDidn't you forget your quotation marks?
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Ie ... from a " " " creator " " "
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Originally posted by @fmfI am curious about the ultimate origin of this wonderful gift of life. If you believe that life is a gift was it also a gift to our creator who gave it ?
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Did the gift originate with a living creator or a creator who
was not in possession of the gift of life ?
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't believe it is a gift.
I am curious about the ultimate origin of this wonderful gift of life. If you believe that life is a [b]gift was it also a gift to our creator who gave it ?
Did the gift originate with a living creator or a creator who
was not in possession of the gift of life ?[/b]
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Originally posted by @fmfMy bolding on YOUR OP.
I don't believe it is a gift.
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, a gift from a creator, why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Would you now like to rephrase this ?
Originally posted by @sonship
My bolding on YOUR OP.
Life is an almost incomprehensibly wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, [b] a gift from a creator,why is it not enough of a gift for some people? Why the leap to 'we MUST surely be able to exist for all eternity'?
Would you now like to rephrase this ?[/b]No, because I don't believe life is a gift. If you think it is a gift from a creator, why is it not enough for you and other theists who believe in everlasting life? I am not among the "some people" mentioned in the OP.
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Originally posted by @fmfI see.
No, because I don't believe life is a gift. If you think it is a gift from a creator, why is it not enough for you and other theists who believe in everlasting life? I am not among the "some people" mentioned in the OP.
You are saying in here that YOU DON'T THINK life is a gift.
Okay.
But to my purpose in my question, whether you define life a gift or not, is still basically the same.
Somehow life was passed down to us.
Did life BEGIN somewhere ? (gift or no)
If this question is too removed from the purpose of the OP, you may say so. I'll ask it somewhere else.
But if you do, just remember what its like to get an off to the side question next time you want to ask one to someone's OP.
Do you see LIFE as essentially having somewhere always existing? Or do you see LIFE as something that was not and began to be?
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Originally posted by @sonshipWe've discussed this before. Recently. Neither of us know.
Did life BEGIN somewhere ? (gift or no)
If this question is too removed from the purpose of the OP, you may say so. I'll ask it somewhere else.
But if you do, just remember what its like to get an off to the side question next time you want to ask one to someone's OP.
Do you see LIFE as essentially having somewhere always existing? Or do you see LIFE as something that was not and began to be?
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Originally posted by @fmfOkay. You wish not to take a position. You wish to put forward agnosticism about it. So everyone else better also.
We've discussed this before. Recently. Neither of us know.
You don't know and no one else knows either.
I am pretty sure that the cosmic buck on life stops with an uncreated living One. I see no reason to apologize for virtually knowing this.
Yes, I think I do KNOW this.
Thanks. That's all.
The origin of life is an eternal living Life - God.
No apologies.