If Jesus came back....

Originally posted by Wulebgr
None of these consider their knowledge and opinions ultimate truth, except for certain factions within the Republican Party.

You've never heard a Darwinist claim that the Theory of Evolution was a scientific fact?!?

Originally posted by Coletti
That a totally false and unfounded claim - really an ab hominem against my views by claiming I have not examined them rationally.

It is not and ad hominem attack, for I am not attacking your person. Rather, observe that, by your own admission, you have not investigated with seriousness the claims of Islam. Based on that observation, I assert that your universalist claims for your beliefs are rooted in dogma, rather than reason.

As for the theologians of the South, they are irrelevant to my point. Surely you are not disputing that Christianity--in its several manifestations--is the dominant religion everywhere in the United States, and that it is more dominant in certain areas than in others. Indeed, the religion is so prevalent that every American is at least nominally Christian, unless he or she positively affirms some other belief system, or originates in one of those beseiged Jewish, Muslim, or several other non-Christian communities. Yes there are many millions of Americans who are in no way Christian, but the are terribly outnumbered by the hundreds of millions who are.

Originally posted by Coletti
You've never heard a Darwinist claim that the Theory of Evolution was a scientific fact?!?

I myself have made that claim, although I prefer theory as I have explained repeatedly and at length over the past week in these forums. Fact and theory are a far cry from "ultimate truth". The differences in terminology here are a matter of both substance and of degree.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
It is not and ad hominem attack, for I am not attacking your person. Rather, observe that, by your own admission, you have not investigated with seriousness the claims of Islam. Based on that observation, I assert that your universalist claims for your beliefs are rooted in dogma, rather than reason.

I am not an expert in Islam - that does not make my beliefs unreasoned. You only need study a view enough to see it is contradictory or irrational or unhelpful in some other way to be justified in rejecting it. The Christian worldview is very reasonable as I have demonstrated. And your conclusion, based on limited observation, had no logical merit - it is logically fallacious.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
I myself have made that claim, although I prefer theory as I have explained repeatedly and at length over the past week in these forums. Fact and theory are a far cry from "ultimate truth". The differences in terminology here are a matter of both substance and of degree.

You should be more careful with your words then, for you made the universal claim: "None of these consider their knowledge and opinions ultimate truth.." Are you retracting this or do I need to prove you are wrong by quoting some TOE believers?

Originally posted by Coletti
You should be more careful with your words then, for you made the universal claim: "None of these consider their knowledge and opinions ultimate truth.." Are you retracting this or do I need to prove you are wrong by quoting some TOE believers?

Some adherents of all those positions make outlandish claims, but nothing intrnsic to their core philosophies claim ultimate truth. A universal claim--swimming pools contain water--is not an expression of ultimate truth. You are confusing your terms.

Originally posted by Coletti
As do Darwinist, and Socialist, and Democrats, and Republicans. If a person did not believe what they believe was true, they would not believe it.

Yes, but Darwinists (as you put it) have some objective evidence.
What objective evidence is there that "There is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet"? What makes your belief any different from theirs, besides the fact you believe it?

Originally posted by KneverKnight
Yes, but Darwinists (as you put it) have some objective evidence.
What objective evidence is there that "There is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet"? What makes your belief any different from theirs, besides the fact you believe it?

The Difference is Mohammed is dead, so is Joseph Smith, as with every religion's leader, except Jesus. yea yea lol , I know you dont believe that

Originally posted by flyUnity
The Difference is Mohammed is dead, so is Joseph Smith, as with every religion's leader, except Jesus. yea yea lol , I know you dont believe that

Isn't the whole point of Christianity that Jesus died?

Never mind.

Originally posted by flyUnity
The Difference is Mohammed is dead, so is Joseph Smith, as with every religion's leader, except Jesus. yea yea lol , I know you dont believe that

This is the point: you believe it, take it as face value, accept it as a given etc, with no evidence except what it says in some book just like they do!!
Full stop.
That's faith, isn't it?

Originally posted by wib
Hmmm, If Jesus came back today? Good question.

I think the Jews would buy into it. They'd want to play it safe this time.
Especially after that last debacle...

Some christians would go ballistic though. If Jesus came back now, preaching the same sermons he preached in the bible before, I think christians would divide themselves in two groups:

1. ...[text shortened]... raq??? Whoa mama! It'd also be fun to see if the Bush administration could discredit him.

What makes you think that Jesus would be against the war in Iraq?

Originally posted by Shopie13
What makes you think that Jesus would be against the war in Iraq?

Um, he wouldn't have Haliburton stock?

Originally posted by Shopie13
What makes you think that Jesus would be against the war in Iraq?

It's tough for me to see Jesus, as he's represented in the bible (which means it must be true), as being supportive of a war that has killed at least 100,000 people. And still counting...

I remember "Turn the other cheek".

I don't remember "Invade other nations as needed because they *might* be a threat".

Originally posted by flyUnity
The Difference is Mohammed is dead, so is Joseph Smith, as with every religion's leader, except Jesus. yea yea lol , I know you dont believe that

That's a poor proof for claiming the supremacy of your religion over other's . There are many religions and belief systems where death is not something which must be defeated or overcome , but is a natural part of machinations of the spiritual universe . A Budhist would probably think the concept of god/jesus escaping death to be very strange , and would not want anything to do with that . Your cited example would not be evidence to him that your god was the one and only real McCoy , but rather a big red flag that there's something inherently flawed in your belief system/mythology .