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Originally posted by amannionAbiogenesis that word
Obviously it makes no sense to you.
Why not? Tell me the problem(s) you have with the idea ...
Originally posted by LivingForJesusSure. The dirty little secret is that there are unprovable phenomenon/occurences in the universe. One such problem is the existence of matter. Where did it come from? Is it eternal? All we know is that we can look as far back as the Big Bang but no further in terms of the material universe. Thus the beginning of the universe or birth of the universe was the Big Bang. But what existed before the Big Bang? This we can never see and will never know in this lifetime because we are only able to see as far back as the Big Bang and no further. You then have the option of saying that God was the source or some other abstract conceptualized theory that matter is eternal. Either way, however both beliefs are unprovable and end up being a belief system. In the end all we know is that matter exists but how?
can you explain a little better!!!!!!
Originally posted by whodeyIt's hardly a secret.
Sure. The dirty little secret is that there are unprovable phenomenon/occurences in the universe. One such problem is the existence of matter. Where did it come from? Is it eternal? All we know is that we can look as far back as the Big Bang but no further in terms of the material universe. Thus the beginning of the universe or birth of the universe was ...[text shortened]... is that life exists but how? You are then faced with a decision as to what you want to believe.
Originally posted by whodeyGod is proveable!!!
Sure. The dirty little secret is that there are unprovable phenomenon/occurences in the universe. One such problem is the existence of matter. Where did it come from? Is it eternal? All we know is that we can look as far back as the Big Bang but no further in terms of the material universe. Thus the beginning of the universe or birth of the universe was ...[text shortened]... is that life exists but how? You are then faced with a decision as to what you want to believe.
Originally posted by LivingForJesusIn the realm of science he is not provable because God is a spirit and not from this material world from which science derives its field of study. It is akin to trying to prove how a particular chemical reaction occurs by studying philosophy. Just because you cannot arrive at the truth regarding the chemical reaction in question by studying philosophy in no way detracts from the possibility that it can and does occur, rather, it only means you are in the wrong field of study for such phenomenon.
God is proveable!!!
Originally posted by amannionAlthough abiogenesis is a scientific model and "creationism" is not a model per sey, it does not change the fact that if one is an atheist one must adhere to the abiogenesis model. If not, what else is there?
Atheism does not equate with abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is not comparable to creationism since it is a scientific model and therefore subject to the scrutiny and falsifiability of any such concept. Creationism is subject to no such scrutiny - you can either believe it or not.[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyAthiesm is not a religion. It is merely a label that is often given to people who do not believe in God. To say anything about athiesm as if it was a religion is equivalent to saying something about the group of people who don't like swimming. For example to say "Those who don't like swimming are scared of sharks" is just stupid because the only thing that people who don't like swimming actually have in common is that they don't like swimming (and they are people.)
Athiesm does not have a belief system that reflects a creation myth? What of abiogenesis? One way or another we were formed/created. The only question is was this accomplished via a higher power or dumb luck?
Originally posted by LivingForJesusWould you care to explain what you mean by that? Or are you just upset and feel the need to shout nice sounding words? Did you mean "the existence of God is provable"? What do you mean by 'provable' in that context? Do you mean a mathematical or logical proof? Do you mean there is overwhelming scientific evidence?
God is proveable!!!
Originally posted by whodeyAn atheist does not have to adhere to anything he doesn't want to or doesn't like. Most educated atheists would probably 'adhere' to abiogenesis but there are surely plenty of uneducated atheists who have never even heard the term.
Although abiogenesis is a scientific model and "creationism" is not a model per sey, it does not change the fact that if one is an atheist one must adhere to the abiogenesis model. If not, what else is there?
Originally posted by LivingForJesusThe first propponent of the big bang theory was lemaitre. You know what he was? He was a priest, besides being a mathematical physicist. At his time the number one cientists, Einstein included, didn't like his ideas very much because the Big Bang reminded them to much of creation and a God. Lemaitre himself thought the his new idea could prove God existence but retracted of writing that in the final form of his original article. Slowly the Big Bang scenario gained strenght among scientists and now it is our best theory to explain how everything started but a strange phenomenom ocurred. Nowadays people think that thew Big Bang and God are mutually exclusive and that's just stupid!
okay but athiesm usally belives in the Big Bang!
Originally posted by LivingForJesusno, no, no , no, NO
okay but athiesm usally belives in the Big Bang!
Originally posted by whodeyYou obvisouly never studied the big bang theory, or if you did, you didn't understand a word. Matter creation IS explained by big bang. You are seeing the world 3-dimensions and isotropic (space is the same size everywhere). You are seeing time as something linear.
Sure. The dirty little secret is that there are unprovable phenomenon/occurences in the universe. One such problem is the existence of matter. Where did it come from? Is it eternal? All we know is that we can look as far back as the Big Bang but no further in terms of the material universe. Thus the beginning of the universe or birth of the universe was ...[text shortened]... is that life exists but how? You are then faced with a decision as to what you want to believe.